Mayweather v Pacquiao is defintely off.

None of me thinks your right and I'm not angry but say what you like.

Floyd wants 154, Pac wants 147. It was settled on 147. Floyd made the concession.

Explain the sequence of events and prove I'm wrong.

I'm not the authority on this subject. In case you needed that clarifying. However you are a Pac apologist with an agenda and this can be seen through your writing.

 

Fine:

(US Numbers)

Mayweather vs Hatton - 915,000 PPV Buys
Pacquiao vs Hatton - 850,000 PPV Buys

Wow, big difference there! Plus, Hatton was undefeated when going into the Mayweather fight (which is a big selling point). When he went in against Pacquiao the gloss of Hatton had been taken off due to Mayweather outclassing him, plus he had lost his undefeated record. Yet, there was only 65,000 buys in it?

Mayweather vs De La Hoya - 2,400,000 PPV Buys
Pacquiao vs De La Hoya - 1,250,000 PPV Buys

Now there is a big difference between these two. Phenominal sales for the De La Hoya vs Mayweather fight, yet De La Hoya was the main draw for it (Mayweather in his last fight sold 325,000 PPV's). Also, remember that De La Hoya vs Pacquiao was seen as a mismatch, yet it still sold over a million times.

Mayweather vs Marquez - 1,000,000 PPV Buys
Pacquiao vs Cotto - 1,250,000 PPV Buys

Both of there last fights. Mayweather sells 1,000,000, although I am guessing a lot of Mexicans bought the fight for to see Marquez in his biggest fight ever. Also, it was the 'return of Mayweather!!' - which again should of got some more PPV sales than normal. Pacquiao vs Cotto sells 250,000 more, no one in the Philippines can buy it, just 110,000 people in Puerto Rico bought it - so they still sold more PPV's in America than what the Mayweather vs Marquez fight did in total.

Mayweather is the bigger PPV seller, but not by much - and to say he cannot be reached in terms of PPV sales is just wrong.

 

None of those points affected my argument. There were now shocking revelations.

I'm not contradicting myself. You are exposing yourself as having an agenda. I said what Floyd and his camp think. I don't think that. I've already clarified this for you. To push this point further exposes you.

 

As I said previously, it's like Pavlik going into negotiations wanting the fight at 170 and then agreeing to 160. It's not a concession, just a negotiating ploy.

You said it was after Floyd senior demanded drug testing that Pac kicked up a stink. In fact it was after Golden Boy tried putting it in the contract that the trouble began.

If I'm a Pac apologist surely you're a Mayweather apologist, no?

 

Exposes me? Man, you really are getting into the Genral Forum gutter now. Letting yourself down big time there.

 

Floyd did 1.05 mil against Marquez. A fight deemed a mismatch against a small guy. Now you are saying the Mexicans bought it.

Floyd did 2.44mil against DLH. Pac didn't do close to that.

Pac seemed to beat Floyd in the US on the Hatton fight but I don't think so if you include the million from the UK.

Also, I'm not convinced on the numbers vs MAB, Morales etc Provide sources. I always thought they were much lower. IF they turn out to be true I will partially conceed BUT Floyd in comparison to legends like MAB and Morales fought a guy coming off a loss in Judah and a man with probably no fan base in Baldomir.

Floyd seems to still sell fights no matter who he is fighting. I think every Pac fight he is in is considered extremely competative.

 

Your example doesn't stick. If Pavlik fought at 154 for example and they debated the weights but went to 160 then Pavlik would be deemed to have the advantage.

Floyd Sr made the comment and that didn't really shake any feathers. It was further along in the negotations after bad PR that Pac ****ed it up. I'm sure Senior also said he told Floyd to drug test him.

No, I'm not a Mayweather apologist. I think it's in this thread, I call both of them pathetic. Floyd should have just gone with 24 days to make the fight unless he can scientifically prove there is no point at 24 days. However I'm going to call Pac and his camp on their antics. Look at pathetic Bob Arum threatening to pull out at every turn. Arum said from the beginning he didn't want to make this fight or even negotiate but he says Floyd is scared. Back to the point though, you most certainly are a PAc apologist with an agenda. Until I see different, I will call you on it.

 

If I'm letting myself down by your standards then this doesn't bother me. I had already told you I don't think Pac moving up in weight in dodgy but you brought it up again. So yes, this does go some way to expose your agenda.

 

Why would you include the million from the UK? Mayweather was peripheral to the popularity of the fight in the UK. Most of the people who I know who bought that fight couldn't have told you who he was beyond what the Sky Sports trailers had told them.

 

To be completely fair you have to allow for the fact that PPVs at the lower weights are harder to sell in America. If Pac at featherweight got anywhere near the figures that Floyd got at welterweight then he's done very well intend.

 

because it was considered an international fight where marketing time was split.

i've also noticed your quoting numbers from MAB II, Morales II and JMM II. Not exactly accurate as they were established wars/rivalries loved by the fans. I'm interested in seeing the numbers from earlier bouts. Obviously if a rivalry/war is established more people buy the second and third time round.

when hatton fought both he was loved and facing the p4p1. both bouts were deemed partially achievable accomplishments. i think the ppvs in both countries matter but even if pac won that ppv war, that's okay. however you want to look at it.

i think its also important to note that hatton was much more established in america by that point. i dont think hatton was doing amazingly pre floyd. fighting in the thomas & mack, paris las vegas or in boston hardly showed the mgm and ceasers were begging for him. however after the floyd fight, he fought paulie in the mgm.

 

I'll give you that but I want to see the numbers from earlier Pac fights not in established rivalries. Floyd was posting good numbers against fighters he was expected to beat - one hit wonders, coming off losses etc

 

Dude, I thought you were defending Floyd's resume. Now your argument is that it's not a fair comparison because most of his PPV fights were against 'substandard' competition?!

 

You seem to have misunderstood the analogy. You were saying Mayweather fighting at 147 was a concession because he'd once fought at 154. I used the example of Pavlik and Williams in the same way.

Okay, let's get this clarified. Senior made the claim, it was widely dismissed. After the Cotto fight a Roger made a similar claim and Floyd Junior slipped up and made his "enhancers" comment on the radio. When the contracts were drawn up, Golden Boy (on behalf of Team Mayweather) demanded the Olympic style testing which team Pac declined. That's the sequence of events.

So we agree on a few things then. What this comes down to is that you think Mayweather's demand is reasonable and I don't. If that makes me an apologist, so be it.

If I'm an apologist by your standards then it bothers me equally as little. The integrity of my boxing opinion doesn't hinge on whether you think I have an agenda or not.

 

No-one really knew who Pac was until the first Barrera fight, hence why none of his fights previously were on PPV (unless they were part of the undercard).