Mayweather v Pavlik

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If you're picking Pavlik, how a heavy a favourite do you make him?
     
  2. Shake

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    Just too big and won't take no for an answer. Will need few shots to hurt Mayweather. There is a small chance Mayweather would find that extra stuff to produce a magnificent victory, but....I really don't see it happening.
     
  3. marauder1999

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    With the way pavlik throws heavy bombs I doubt pretty boy would be able to withstand them more than 1 round.
     
  4. McGrain

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    I'd be astonished by a first round KO. Mayweather is absolutley expert at avoiding punches.
     
  5. ThePlugInBabies

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    about a 98% chance. mayweather is hittable despite his defensive brilliance and when pavlik catches him it will be unlike anything floyd has tasted before. pavlik has potential ATG power. by that i mean a few more chilling KO's of B and maybe some A class fighters and it's secure.

    up next, nigel benn vs. floyd.
     
  6. JediPimp007

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    interesting fight, but I just see Pavlik punching through Mayweather's defense and with relative ease. He doesn't need to hunt the head or wait for exposed parts of the body, as whatever he hits he'll inflict pain imo.

    If Mayweather was a natural 154 or 147 fighter he'd be able to do really well and dominate middle weight, but he started life as a 130lb'er and 160 is just too far north of his starting weight. Imo he's grown into a natural 147lb fighter. 154 was a big ask, he did that 'okay' but he was wary of the power DLH has, but DLH is much much smaller than Kelly
     
  7. ThePlugInBabies

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    you certainly aren't alone with that belief. although the version of taylor who turned up v pavlik would be a harder task, despite the fact he got iced.
     
  8. Nwil

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    Pavlik may have power, but he lacks the technique and agility to truly get at floyd. floyd is an extremely smart fighter - he would definitely be wary of pavlik, but would outmaneuver him. Pavlik's defense is ****, which is why he got dropped in the second round by a wild-swinging taylor. size doesn't mean ****...I can easily beat my friend who is 2-3 inches taller in height and reach and outweighs me by about 25 lbs.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Do you think it's insulting to compare RJJ to Riuz, too?

    Calm down. Mayweather has been to 154. I'm keen to see what people think he went - try to control yourself - 6lbs higher.

    Leonard has a 0% chance v Tyson. Is that the chance you give Floyd v Pavlik? If so you are the first person in the thread to hold that opinion.
     
  10. ThePlugInBabies

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    floyd will not go 36 minutes without getting tagged and when he is caught he will be in a world of ****ing trouble.

    floyd is defensively very good, but he still gets hit, he was even caught by hatton a few times.
     
  11. LeedsLad

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    I dont think Pavlik would blow Floyd out early, Floyd is too quick on his feet and too smart defensively. If Floyd fought extremely cautiously, as he obviously would, he may well get to the hear the final bell. But i seriously doubt he could win, he simply couldnt hurt Pavlik and couldnt take any risks else he'd get KTFO. Either Pavlik by late TKO, or wide decision in a very uneventful fight where Mayweather just tries to last the 12.
     
  12. McGrain

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    What do you make of his chin?

    See I think you are partly right in that Pavlik will clip him, and good knows he's a good finisher. But a guy like Mayweather - and the same can be said of Jones - he is so quick that he is actually near impossible to catch clean. He'll almost always get some sort of roll on the punches.

    Think off Calzaghe taking shots from Kessler. Kessler hit him properly - but Calzaghe was able to tilt his head every time there was a big shot in the offing.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Ruiz had enough power to KO Jones if he hit him clean and followed.
     
  14. ThePlugInBabies

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    floyd's chin is as solid as they come really. there have been some disputable potential KD's v judah and mitchell (i think) where his gloves may have grazed the canvas but he can take a good shot no problem.

    it is difficult to catch floyd flush, of that there is no doubt, but it is not impossible. there are some superb GIF files of the DLH-floyd fight around and a couple illustrate floyd taking some superb flush shots without getting the chance to employ his shoulder roll defence. now remove DLH and replace him with a very good offensive MW with power that may very well go down in the ATG stakes (power that is).

    a very underrated and punishing jab.
    beast of a right hand.
    decent handspeed & a very cool finisher.
    a guy who'll take his time, measure you then blow you out.

    pavlik is extremely flawed defensively but floyd doesn't have anything that is going to worry him when he throws back really.

    floyd to survive is going to have to employ cynical baldo style running tactics in this one (and rightly so). his last two fights have seen him spend quite a bit of time against the ropes with his opponents looking to lead the attack but to no avail. this would be suicidal against someone like pavlik who has tons more power and attacking savvy than hatton and DLH at this stage of his career, ask taylor and miranda what happens when you get bullied back by pavlik.

    ....and joe most certainly wasn't rolling them shoulders or employing much defence when he took those two sickening uppercuts in the 4th against kessler ;)
     
  15. McGrain

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    Funny you should say that, I think they were the two shots I was thinking off...doesn't Joe lift his head both times? That type of thing makes all of the difference - I mean that literally, it's the difference between making your corner at the end of the round and not.