Mayweather vs Canelo is ten years old today

@bjl12 I see you deleted your post i had a reply for you then messed it up, but i'll address it here and we can call it quits.

You've gone completely off track discussing other decisions that has no relevance to Mayweather vs ODLH, you claimed my 8-4 scorecard was biased when it really isn't. My issue with your original post is that you claimed ODLH/Mayweather could be scored a draw when that's nonsense. And any unbiased boxing fan would see it as a clear win for Mayweather and 8-4 is a totally reasonable score.

The original point was that people were claiming Canelo was green, which is baffling when he's had 43 professional fights and 7 world title fights. He wasn't a green prospect he was an established fighter who was a top 10 P4P fighter. Was Canelo at his absolute peak ? no. But neither was Mayweather and i would gather Mayweather was further from his peak than Canelo was plus fighting at a higher weightclass.

Pacquiao is an ATG and was higher up the P4P rankings than Spence and still in good form when he lost to Mayweather, and yes i do think the car crashes and the fact Spence was inactive should be taken into consideration when assessing Crawford's win over Spence.

One final point is the other issues i had with your post, is that you don't take into account Mayweather's age or the fact he was fighting at a higher weightclass. If you're questioning Mayweather's wins over Pacquiao, Canelo, atleast be fair in your assessment and address that Mayweather was in his late 30s and past his peak also.

Everything else is pretty much irrelevant and the other topics like Ward/Kovalev are a waste of time discussing and it has nothing to do with this subject.

That's pretty much the bare bones of this conversation and that's how i see it, i've broken it down into simple terms and tried to stay on the subject at hand.

That's my last post regarding this subject if you want to reply you can have the last word, but i'm not interested in discussing this topic anymore as i'm bored with it good day to you.

 

I know you said you were done with this topic, though that may have been regarding your discussion with bjl12.

But regarding Mayweather Canelo, I would respectfully disagree about who was closer to their peak. Mayweather despite being 36 years old was P4P #1 and at the top of his game. While he was no longer at his physical peak, he was still in peak physical condition. He performed at an extremely high level that night. Even when Floyd was much younger, like when he fought DLH for example, he wasn't quite as polished or refined as he was in 2013 when he fought Canelo. He was definitely stronger physically in 2007, but his skills, strategy, and elusiveness was arguably at an all-time high when he fought Canelo.

After he fought Canelo, he dropped off significantly which led to struggles against Maidana a year later. Compared to Canelo, who while arguably not green due to how many times he fought and the # of world title fights, the level of competition in those world title fights were nowhere near Mayweather. Had Canelo ever fought a P4P Top 10 fighter before he fought Mayweather? Trout was a good test, and that win was what got him the Mayweather fight, but he was still relatively untested as a PPV main eventer.

So I would dispute that Canelo was closer to his peak than Mayweather when they fought. And he was compromised due to the catchweight meaning, due to the catchweight, he was definitely less closer to his peak against Mayweather than when he fought Trout months earlier, or vs Lara a year later. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Canelo only entered the P4P Top 10 when it was announced that he would be fighting Mayweather. He was still outside the Top 10 P4P when he beat Trout. He was fringe Top 10 P4P when he fought Mayweather.

I know people see 36 years old generally as past your prime or peak, but look at Terance Crawford. He's considered prime, arguably peak now and he's turning 36 in two weeks. All I'm saying is, just because Mayweather was 36, doesn't mean he wasn't still prime or close to his peak. Canelo was nowhere near his peak at 23, despite the experience and # of fights he had. His skillset dramatically improved post-Mayweather, upper body movement, slickness, etc. He was very robotic in comparison to his peak, and yes, in some ways green, compared to the complete product he turned into by the time he was beating GGG and dominating SMW. But I wouldn't say he was completely green, he did have experience, but there's a reason why so many people say he was green.

 

WTf'nF?? Floyd just happened to be at his best when fighting the one guy who bandwagoned?? You have NOTHING to base this on. At all. If so, how about an example?? Floyd's elusiveness did not get better. His defense was always amazing. What DID change was his output and shot selection. But that happened when moving up, especially to 147.

If his 'elusiveness' was at an all time high, why did Maidana have so much more success IMMEDIALTEY after fighting canelo?? Maidana sure isn't as good as Canelo, nor as hard a hitter or as fast. Yet had more success then many before. In a LONG while.

Just say you've never seen him fight until Canelo...as is oddly probably the case.

 

I addressed that. Did you miss this part :

"After he fought Canelo, he dropped off significantly which led to struggles against Maidana a year later."

He clearly slowed down between the Canelo victory and the 1st Maidana match. He was a much easier target for Maidana than he was for Canelo, because he knew Maidana was nowhere near as good or as dangerous as Canelo was. He needed to be at his absolute best against Canelo, even a drained Canelo, but against Maidana he was able to win without being at his best.

Also, if he was better at 147, then why did he struggle so much against Maidana? Surely no one in their right mind would rate Maidana at anywhere near the level of Canelo. I'm trying to explain to you why that happened. Beacuse Mayweather's performance against Canelo was far better than against Maidana. He slowed down between those two fights, that's why.

 

Oh, how convenient....JUST after Canelo he started to fade... You have no shame...

 

Just look at the two performances, compare them. It's really not that hard to see the difference in hand, foot speed, upper body movement. Floyd was bending down below his knees to avoid shots against Canelo. Against Maidana, Floyd was barely using any upper body movement. Why do you think Floyd struggled so much against Maidana? He clearly performed much better against Canelo, who, lets face it, is seen as a far better fighter than Maidana, than he did against Maidana.

How do you explain that? While the judges scores were identical, the public saw Floyd beat Canelo far more convincingly than he beat Maidana. But who was the better opponent - Canelo or Maidana? And who did Floyd perform better against. Answer those two questions and you got your answer.

 

Fighters of Floyd's calibre aren't going to employ the same strategy against every fighter Shadow.

 

Agreed. Floyd was using advanced techniques against Canelo, against Maidana he used a much more basic approach.

 

That shows a conscious choice of style, not a drop in skill. GTFO...

 

He didn't train as hard for Maidana as he trained for Canelo. He was more motivated to be at his best for Canelo than he was for Maidana. He thought he would have an easier time with Maidana so he didn't train as hard, and he ended up struggling.

It wasn't just a conscious choice of style, his speed, elusivness and athleticism had clearly diminished between those two matches.

 

Theb what was it? Did he train less or did he lose a step AFTER canelo?? Are you unaware of what you do here?? Why does ANYONE bother with you when it comes to Canelo. You are utterly incapable of being objective

 

It's abundantly clear that he slowed down between his fights with Canelo and Maidana. Why did that happen? Why do you think? This isn't rocket science. The level he performed against Maidana was not the same level he performed at against Canelo.

 

You agreed he didn't train as hard, didn't take him as serious....

 

Less upper body movement, less elusiveness, less athleticism. If you disagree with why that happened, then OK, but there's no denying that there was a drop and a slowdown between then and then.

We always hear about fighters turning old overnight, if you're looking for when Floyd started to visibly slow down, it certainly wasn't against Canelo. It definitely was apparent though against Maidana.

 

And yet....you already agreed he didn't train 100% for Maidan seriously. GTFO fanboy...