Mayweather vs Guerrero: Deal is Close to being Done

Mayweather has seriously got to start slipping soon. He's already more stationary than before, and it will be yet another year break by the time he fights Guerrero. Something has got to give soon.

I like Guerrero, he's a much better fighter than Ortiz and has more fire in the belly and is less jaded than the likes of Cotto. Good fight.

 

Floyd haters?

Seriously, get the **** to the General Forum. And stay there. Many of the posters that have commented on this thread are more rational and knowledgeable about this sport and it's fighters than you will ever be.

 

Agreed.

I think the breaks are hindering him, in all honesty.

It's a well known fact that he blows money like it's going out of fashion, so why wait 12-18 months inbetween fights? Surely your money in the bank will only go down? So why not just fight twice a year for "x amount" of years and call it a day?

I think it's the whole "I went undefeated for 20 years" thing, when say 3-4 of those years he didn't fight once. I just think he's trying to extend his unbeaten record by years and not by fighting (which is clearly bull****).

I honestly can't wait until he really retires, as it's what Boxing needs. He is a freakshow these days. He'll fight a WBC champ or whatever in his comeback that is unproven or weak and it's another thing for him to spout off about "I'm an 11 time WBC champ etc".

He absolutely FLEECES the fans yet they cannot see it.

**** him. Seriously, **** him.

 

Agreed time will deffo catch up with Floyd, we saw vs Cotto that is becoming more hittable and not as mobile, so these guys have now a better chance of pulling off the upset.

 

Floyd used every excuse in the book not to fight Pacquiao.

And as for ''fighting'' DLH, it was one of the most uninspiring, tepid displays I've ever seen, against an inactive, one-handed old man.

 

A prime ODH would of beaten Floyd.

 

Yep.

It's pretty ironic how someone who calls himself "Money" and boasts about fighting for nothing but Money refuses the biggest pay day of his career.

I bet he didn't know whether to punch the air or to break down in tears when Manny got knocked out last week.

 

If you ask me he nearly did anyway ... Mayweather did win that fight just but it wasnt as wide as the judges had it! I still think even though Pac has been beat twice in two fights he would still beat Mayweather, Mayweather hates that kind of fight i also think Alverez would give him allsorts of problems as Martinez would!

 

PK sounds like hes on the rag, chill out son

And Floyd will always be remembered as a cherry picker. Amazing skill set but wasted his talent by ducking the best fighters of his era.

People may think Pac's a cheat, but at least he had the balls to fight the best of his era, something that Floyd hasn't and no matter what he does with the rest of his career he will always be remembered for ducking the best of his era

 

I agree, mate. I think Floyd's legs are not THAT far from being 'gone'.

 

Just reading back some of the posts, PK is on the rampage, lol. Love the passion.

PK, you have to admit Floyds ALWAYS been a cherrypicker, even at the lower weights when was at his best. No one is argueing against Floyd being a great fighter, but there's no doubt he avoided some challenges and only taken fights he thought he could win.

Lets have a gander at his legacy and people he missed. Lets start at 130 where he was a beast. Floyd won his first title at 130lbs. Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas won their titles at 130 a year later. They were both standout undefeated fighters in Floyd’s division. Those guys were champions there up until Floyd left the division. They fought each other in a unification match but no match was ever made with Floyd. I’m not saying they would have beat Floyd.

I’m not saying Floyd 'ducked' them. But a pattern developed early, that turned into a trend later. When you want to make certain fights, what you do is sweeten the pot(offer more money), like Amir Khan tried to do with Tim Bradley. I don’t recall Floyd doing that. Now remember this at that particular time in Floyd’s life he said after one of his title defenses that he wanted to go down history like Joe Louis and defend his 130lbs title 25 times like Louis did his heavyweight title. This is actually where his legacy was built, at 130lbs.

Floyd moves up, but does not establish a great legacy at lightweight either. He only fights there a couple times. Floyd actually struggled more at 135 than he did at any other time in his career. He tested the water against Emanuel Augustus and had a really tough fight. He went back up there a couple of years later and had 4 fights. Two tough decisions against JL Castillo, another tough fight against Victor Sosa and a dominant performance against Phillip Ndou.

Next up is Stevie Johnston. You may not know this but Johnston lost his lightweight title to JL Castillo. Castillo beat Johnston by a razor thin decision and Johnston caught a draw in the rematch that many thought he won. So Floyd has life and death with Castillo the first time, beats him close but clear the second time. Now guess who is the leading contender? Guess who HBO is familiar with? Stevie Johnston. Johnston didn’t get a shot and was forced to fight in an eliminator against Juan Lascano and lost. That was the end of Stevie Johnston as a viable contender. Another trend. Attrition. Let the threats clear themselves out.

Next up we have Kostya Tszyu. Floyd moves up to 140 in 2004. Floyd only fights 1 fight, against Demarcus Corley where he was visibly hurt for the first time in his career. That fight happens to be a WBC eliminator. Arturo Gatti is the WBC champion. Floyd fights another WBC eliminator against Henry Brusseles. Now ask yourself why was it so important to fight for the WBC belt when Kostya was the RING champion and IBF beltholder. I assume because Gatti was the champion and he was an easier fight than Tszyu. Rarely in boxing do you see a prominent fighter who was champion in a lower division be forced to fight 2 eliminators. I think Floyd wanted to fight those specific eliminators because he wanted to fight that specific champion.

So on to welterweight where the money was (at 140 a fight with Cotto was bypassed). Welterweight is where the real cherrypicking went on. He fights Judah. Now, why is it ok for Floyd to fight Judah in a PPV fight coming off of a loss but it’s not ok to fight Margarito coming off of the Williams loss? Margarito is more of a monster than Zab at 147. Williams is a better fighter than Baldomir. And Margarito/Williams was a dog fight in which Margarito started too late but came on. Zab lost to a journeyman where he started too early and came down. The trend is continuing.

Then he 'retires' in 2007 so doesn't have to fight some stiff compepition. he waits for the threats to clear and for people to eliminate each other. His main concern being Paul Williams and Margarito.

So thats;

Casamayor
Freitas
Johnson
Kostya
Cotto
Margarito
Williams
Pacquiao

Great fighter, but will go down as a clear cherrypicker and with not great legacy. And discerning fans already know it.

 

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Wouldn't mind, but anyone with legs and evasive skills - basically Floyd - would waste Margarito, who was pretty limited in all honesty.

He had an ATG chin, and won fights that he'd ordinarily lose if he only had a good chin.

Cintron and Cotto both whacked him until they couldn't whack no more, the 2nd Cintron fight in particular is pretty sick. I know Kermit wasn't/isn't all that, but he was landing some bombs right on the button and was being laughed at, as if he'd thrown a drunken slap.

I'd have been a 118-110 type decision, Floyd would more than likely have looked awesome doing it.

As opposed to the awfully boring decision over Baldomir... the same Baldomir who was offered a fortune to fight Ricky Hatton but opted out as it was too dangerous.

 

Agreed agreed agreed!!!!

Mate, I always look forward to your posts that you borderline write an essay on. You really know your stuff! Top man, mate. :good

Nice one for also dropping some knowledge on the Terry Norris thread that I made as well. :good

 

Spot on slip:yep

I tried to explain this years back to "Bill Butcher" who was ranting about pacman, i had to educate him on the "Team Mayweather bizzness model" It was & always had been the quest to navigate your way to a date with the HBO Golden Goose in DLH. Just like we see Gennaro begging for a fight with Floyd, it's where the $$$$ are. Avoid the rocks & whirpools.

Team Mayweather employed this stratergy from day 1, it's always been the plan, you've got to get to the top banquet table & more importantly once you've got they YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU STAY THERE!!

But to get there they had to make sure that they avoided all clear & present dangers & letting the opposition/obstacles set about doing a cull of each other. It's quite shocking that this blatent stratergy of avoidence has never been torn apart on here. Once Floyd got the nod against an old part time DLH, his next phase of his career was all about survival & gorging out as long as possible from the HBO $$$$ trough.