Mayweather vs Marquez = Whitaker vs Chavez

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  1. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Alright here's a comparison to ponder.

    Both catch-weight fights at welter. Both considered fighting for p4p supremacy. Both Marquez and Chavez weighed in at 142, Mayweather 146 and Whitaker 145 (both probably put on some weight after the weigh in)

    I think Marquez is better received on the forum so it was obvious to people he was ballooned up for the fight and came in with no physical advantages. The same could be said of Chavez, he has a crap record at 147, never won a title there, and was at the tail end of his career.

    So is public perception willing to ease up on Chavez? I'll let you decide! :hi:
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its a stretch but not a big one.
     
  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it's more of a Great Wall of China stretch myself.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah, Chavez had been fighting at a world class level at 140 for years and moved up 5 lbs. Marquez moved up more, and Mayweather had spent more time at 147 than Whitaker had. I think Mayweather used to be a small WW, but grew into a decent sized WW during his time off.

    As far as people "easing up" on Chavez, I think a lot of people actually would've been easier on him if he had lost the fight. People would say, "well he moved up and lost to another ATG in Whitaker, no shame in that". Since he was fortunate to receive a draw, people seem to be harsher on him, like the anger towards the judges also goes to him. Chavez's insistence after the fight that he won doesn't help though.
     
  5. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think its more like a GangBang Girl 17 stretch.

    Its just shows the different quality of those eras...but there are certainly some similarities there I guess.
     
  6. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe on paper to certain extent, but in reality? Absurd comparison.

    Marquez hadn't a fight at even 140, looked average at 135, and was clearly past his prime by this general time period in the first place. Unlike Chavez, who was a mere 2 pounds heavier than his usual weight, facing someone naturally the same size. The difference between Marquez and Mayweather was instantly apparent when they got into the ring together. They looked (and were, really) like men seperated by at least two weight classes if not for the extra meat on Marquez which did nothing but slow his reflexes and lower his stamina. As if the odds weren't already against him enough.

    Whitaker and Chavez on the other hand was a bout between the two best fighters in the world for pound for pound supremacy (before pound for pound lists, and the sport as a whole, had turned into a joke). There was no notable size difference between the two at all. Chavez may've been past his peak in hindsight (anyone with a semi-educated eye could've seen the same of Marquez even without that benefit), but then Whitaker was at his peak as a Lightweight also.