Mayweather vs Pacquiao - A Second Opinion

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  1. GBoxingFeed

    GBoxingFeed Active Member Full Member

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    Hi everyone.

    Have been waiting to post my opinions on this fight, and so I re-watched it today now that the dust has cleared to give (hopefully) an unbiased and clear headed opinion on this very contentious and polarising fight.

    My first impressions, upon rewatching this fight is that I agree that Floyd won, of course. However, the scorecards do not paint the full picture of the fight. This WAS a competitive fight, and the nature of boxing scoring is the reason that this can be seen in 2 very different ways.

    116-112 were both fair scores in my mind. 118-110 is very generous and wide. Now, before anyone starts to get on my case about this, the reason I say this is due to the fact that almost ALL the rounds were closely contested. The rounds that Pac won, he won unequivocally. Floyd dominated some rounds, but the rest were really up for grabs for both men. Mayweather's ring generalship was on display throughout, which puts the onus on Pac to impose himself on Floyd, but that doesn't strictly mean that the close rounds should go to Floyd on that criteria alone.

    Round 1 - tentative, but Floyd's round. He seemed more comfortable - but it was tentative

    Round 2 - Floyd again. But very close. Pac more aggressive.

    Round 3 - Pac's round. He upped the ante, and Floyd did his thing well, but Pac was the winner

    Round 4 - Clear Pac round. Hurt Floyd, and worked on him

    Round 5 - Floyd again. Great comeback round, but still a competetive round

    Round 6 - Clear Pac round. Fought at his pace and shook Floyd up again

    Round 7 - very close. Floyd was back in his comfort zone, but Pac was effective with some clean punches. SWING ROUND.

    Round 8 - Pac round. Landed some clean(ish) stuff early, and chased Mayweather around a lot. May didn't look uncomfortable, but Pac had the momentum. It was a close one though that was up for grabs.

    Round 9 - Close round. pac landed some nice shots, and maybe the more eye catching stuff. Floyd again didn't seem uncomfortable, and fought his fight. Leaning towards Pac (SWING ROUND)

    Round 10 - Close round. Pac kept up the pressure and landed some stuff. Floyd content to stick on the outside and let him chase him. I gave it to Pac (SWING ROUND)

    Round 11 - Floyd round. Classic Mayweather matador techniques and having his own way.

    Round 12 - Close round. Not much to seperate them, but Floyd looking more comfortable and in control. Pac has his moments though. Mayweather round , but close.

    So, in conclusion - I believe, as I did on first watch - that it was a Floyd victory - that much is clear anyway. Mainly because he never seemed uncomfortable for too long, and the fight was fought on his terms. His ring generalship was superb. BUT, what is being overlooked is that most of the rounds were up for grabs at times, and - as the onus was on Pac to take the rounds by fighting in the way that people were expecting him to, made it seem clearer than it was.

    At half way through, I had it even. And, when factoring in what I considered to be the 3 swing rounds (7,9,10) there was a case for a close score. I would not have been surprised at a 115-113 Mayweather win. I can't make a case for a Pac win, but I certainly think the fight was legitimately more closely contested than the record books will show.

    Mayweather fought amazingly, and made Pac fight his fight - therefore he absolutely is a worthy winner. Does that mean it wasn't a close fight? Not in my opinion. We watched Floyd fight HIS fight, and Manny struggle with that - but he didn't lose many rounds clearly. Indeed, Pacquiao won his rounds wider. The hyperbole has gone over the top in my opinion.

    ALSO, as a separate aside - the Sky commentary team is an absolute disgrace. It's been said on here before, but having not watched a fight in the UK for a while I was genuinely shocked at how much they suck the excitement out of a fight. Atrocious.
     
  2. reanthefox

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    i had pac round 2. and rd 3 close but sill gave to pac.

    didnt realize til now, gave all even rounds to pac.
     
  3. TheHun

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    Good thread. Floyd won clear, but it was a close fight. The rounds that Pac won were more dominant than any of the rounds that Floyd won. Floyd was hurt on more than one occasion, Pac never was. Pac also made Floyd miss a lot. Then you throw in the running, the headlocks, the clinching, and it made for a spoiler. By no means was it a dominant victory by Floyd.
     
  4. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Carl Froch "one-sided ass-whooping"

    Was not close
     
  5. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good thread. Thing is I think floyd fought tentatively as well. I don't think floyd oerformed well, but won decisively. its a goid thread, but floyd won decisively, and in my eyes one of pacs worst performances. Due to floyd or the shoukder I don't know, but floyd loomed dominant, even though I didn't think he even fought that well.
     
  6. GBoxingFeed

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    Floyd did look like he was fighting his fight - that is what impressed the judges in the close rounds. And rightfully so. That's what gave him the edge and made the fight *seem* less competitive than it actually was. I actually think they both fought well personally - Floyd looked good, but didn't look truly comfortable until the final third of the fight - and Pacquiao, well he was fighting Floyds fight, which is a negative thing, but he fought well in my opinion with some nice slipping and even countering Floyd effectively at times. It would have been more impressive had he fought the way that he normally does, but Floyd doesn't ever give anyone chance to do that - so I give credit to Pac for fighting effectively at times in a style that he isn't accustomed to.

    And yeah, Froch's 'one sided ass whooping' is absurd. He is too crude of a commentator to take seriously. The Sky team is AWFUL. Froch gave Manny 2 ROUNDS - yet after rounds 6 and 7 he said "I gave both those rounds to Pacquiao"....so he didn't give Pac the 4th?!
     
  7. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    fair assessment but don't you think when a round is up for grabs, the aggressor should get it?
     
  8. GBoxingFeed

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    There's an argument to be made for that - but the judging criteria in my opinion was more weighted toward ring generalship, as the difference was more vivid in that area.
     
  9. icarus1

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    he sensed pac's injured right arm when pac was not using it and he still did not dominate him. he was also tentative fighting knowing the power of pac's left. he just scored points to win on an injured and smaller opponent when it is supposed to be the fight of the century.
     
  10. reanthefox

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    garcia got them hitting nothing but air.

    all floyd really needs to do was touch pac's gloves and he did not disappoint.
     
  11. Daft P

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    Superb post and perfect summary. This is a fight with many even rounds. It is debatable whether it is justified to discourage scoring 10-10 in such cases. Rounds 3, 7, 10 and 12 are all even rounds. If you give them to Pac (and that is really subjective) you have a draw. I had it 115-114 Mayweather (If i score all these rounds even, it is 117-115 May). I agree he deserved the nod, he made Pac fight his fight and not the other way around, but round by round this was a very very narrow margin, if any, for May.
     
  12. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    it was a close fight...i scored it a draw...

    i can even score it a win for pac at 115-113 and vice versa just because they were rounds that was so close...

    bottomline is floyd did not dominate as i was expecting...

    has anyone noticed watching it live...the reddish thing on pac's right shoulder on the backside??? the shoulder injury seems legit.....
     
  13. GBoxingFeed

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    To be clear - I am not trying to take anything away from Mayweather with this post - he is obviously a special talent and deserved the win. I am just trying to put the fight in context, as obviously the partisan fans will go over the top with their ideas of the fight, and when watched in the cold light of day it certainly was not, as Froch so crudely put it, a 'one sided ass-whooping', which is typical of the nonsense being spewed by some people (Sky commentators included).

    A wide decision of 116-112 to Floyd is totally justified, by the scoring system that boxing works from - but it doesn't tell the full story of the closeness of many of the rounds. People need to retain context. It was a competitive fight - though maybe less than compelling - but Floyd's style is about nullifying peoples strengths, so it was never gonna be Hearns-Hagler.
     
  14. Mr_Harry

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    The rounds that Pac won were more dominant than any of the rounds that mayweather won.
     
  15. spooky

    spooky Active Member Full Member

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    I had it 8 rounds to 4. a clear win for Floyd but many of the Floyd rounds were uneventful. Almost zero significant punches landed by either guy but since Floyd was touching him with a flicking jab and moving, he gets the round.

    It was a boring display of boxing. I definitely didn't see an "as whooping" or "schooling". It looked like two guys that didn't want to lose rather that two guys wanting to win.

    It is a shame that the 2 superstars of the sport barely landed anything meaningful in 12 rounds and didn't throw many at that. The whole world was watching.