Mayweather vs Pacquiao - Who do you think is higher on all-time list?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Wonderboi, Sep 22, 2020.

Who is ranked higher on the all-time list?

  1. Manny Pacquiao

    68.0%
  2. Floyd Mayweather

    32.0%
  1. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First day on the forum you say

    welcome, thanks for signing up
     
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  2. aboutfkntime

    aboutfkntime New Member Full Member

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    Mayweather... it's not even that close

    here is the problem...

    1) FACT: there is only one genuine criteria for greatness
    2) FACT: a lot of fans seem to have no idea what that genuine criteria is

    WHO did you beat, with consideration given to when/how...
    ... there is also a small consideration given to losses

    THAT IS IT !! ... nothing else matters, and nothing else should matter... only names !

    * Mayweather has 3x wins better than anyone on Pacquiao's resume
    * he also has a better body-of-work
    * he is also undefeated... Pac has 8 losses

    not really that close if you look at the only facts that are relevant

    fans push the 8-division champ thing... but that is a little ignorant

    if it did not apply back in John L Sullivan's day, then it is not even relevant now... because THE SAME criteria must be evenly applied throughout boxing history to fighters from every relevant era... and there were only 8 divisions back when legends of the past were doing their thing

    anyone who insists that Pacquiao is great BECAUSE he won titles in 8 divisions... do not even understand ATG criteria, or the boxing landscape in general

    Pacquiao is great because of WHO he beat... not because of achievements that do not contain the names of elite/great fighters... like divisions/espys/twitter followers/etc lol

    oh, winning a title at 40yo is probably the funniest " criteria " mentioned

    back in the day there was only one champ, and yet there are truckloads of titles today... super, regular, junior, interim... all sorts of rubbish... some of the guys who run around with a title today are not even top 5 in their division... some are not even top 10... LMAO

    Q. do you really not think that truly GREAT fighters of the past could beat some of those guys and pick up a title if it did not involve fighting the genuine champ or possibly even a genuine top 10 opponent?

    A. I think plenty could have done it... especially if they had the financial incentives fighters have today

    like I say... Pacquiao is great because of the guys he beat, and was probably a lock for HOF before he left 130 sfw... but Mayweather is a little higher on that list for sure
     
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  3. aboutfkntime

    aboutfkntime New Member Full Member

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    Floyd is better (we saw that, when they fought)... AND, he is greater (for beating higher level opposition)

    the only people who think that Pacquiao is greater than Mayweather... simply like him better, or they prefer Manny's style... but neither of those things are genuine criteria for greatness
     
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  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The only reason Mayweather could be higher is due to all the Ped's he's consumed lol
     
  5. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    LOL Looks like Shadow's got yet another Alt
     
  6. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hypothetically, if Floyd beat Bradley in 2012, Canelo without a catchweight and Porter in 2013, Thurman in 2014, and Pacquiao in 2015, where would you rank him all time?
     
  7. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Porter is just another rugged contender, a good win for anyone but he doesn't stand out on Mayweathers resume. Thurman lost to pac several years after Mayweather beat him easily so I don't see what that adds either. The 2 pound catchweight against canelo overshadows a great win. We've all seen that canelo is fully capable of cutting extra weight when he wants too. Won't even mention Bradley. He's a B level fighter. We all know what Mayweather would have done to him

    With all that said, for me anyways, the scenario you laid out changes very little as it relates to Mayweathers accomplishments
     
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  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That wasn't the Mr. Illiterate. But then again, you must also believe:

    Jermain Taylor is greater than Bernard Hopkins
    Shane Mosley is greater than ODLH
    Chris Johns is greater than JMM
    Glenn Johnson is greater than RJJ....

    Do everyone a favor, don't ever have kids...
     
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  9. aboutfkntime

    aboutfkntime New Member Full Member

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    why pull the alt-card... ?

    this should be easy to refute, right... ?





    that is the only criteria that genuine historians use to rank fighters for ATG consideration

    no genuine historian ranks Pacquiao higher than Mayweather, only fans do that
     
  10. Pakkuman

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    Mayweather was on PEDs and Pac was injured.
     
  11. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac was on Peds and Mayweather was injured
     
  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Well-Known Member Full Member

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    fans tend to gravitate to fighters who are warriors, who entertain them and leave it all in the ring.
    that's not mayweather, but he comfortably diffused fighters with these styles during his career.

    it doesn't help that floyd can be obnoxious and generally unlikeable, whereas pacman is the exact opposite.

    one is a great boxer, the other is a great fighter.
    but floyd showed he was comfortably the best of his era imo.
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: higher level... thanks for the laugh troll...
     
  14. aboutfkntime

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    well, it looks to me like... now we HAVE to discuss this issue...

    Mayweather has 3x wins that are CLEARLY better than anyone on Pac's resume...
    1) the Pacquiao defusing
    2) the Canelo schooling
    3) the Marquez shellacking

    all are higher caliber wins than anything Pacquiao achieved

    now take away the top 3 wins from both of their resume's, and check out the 2nd tier results...

    not a good look for your argument... Mayweather beat something like 25 world champions, 16 of them were CONSECUTIVE

    and no losses, you cannot pretend that doesn't count

    don't get salty... Manny is still a great fighter
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Pacquiao and I don't really think it's that debatable.

    I have the two side by side but I can't see any realistic argument placing Floyd higher than him.
     
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