Mayweather vs SR Leonard reevaluated

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "If we're talking pure technique, Mayweather betters Leonard ... if we're talking competition on paper i.e. the best of the very best that they both faced and beat ... there can only be one winner."[/quote]

    Joe Frazier once said to Ali who was bragging about beating Liston, Patterson & Williams: "Clay, those are the fighters from your time..
    ......it is my time now & I can only fight and beat the boxers of my era.

    Same thing between PBF & SRL.

    Who do you think PBF can fight to be equivalent to SRL's Benetiz, Duran, Hearns, & Hagler ?
     
  2. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    Nobody ... there is nobody in the game that can get him those kind of head to head proved by elite competition on paper credentials, IMO. What he could've done to further his argument was cement a legacy by unifying when he was at 140, before moving up and unifying at 147 ... i.e. taking on all title claimants and leaving no doubt as to who the man was at the weightclass by uteerly dominating it ... then, he coulda faced the man at 154 lbs as a last hurrah ... unfortunately for Floyd, boxing politics, his ego and fight pricing strategies mean that this was nigh on impossible.

    Floyd will never be able to put on arésumé where he matches up with Leonard's comp, simply because Leonard had elite ATGs in or very close to their prime in the ring with him, whilst Floyd, comparatively, merely has good to very good fighters in with him. However, the skillset is undeniable, the boxing talent, undeniable, the ringcraft and ability to stand in the ring with perhaps anybody from 130 to 140lbs and stand a very good chance, undeniable ... Floyd remains for me, one of the most complete and technically sound fighters that I've seen on film ... but in terms of résumé i.e. calibre of overall comppetition, there are fighters who trump him to be honest.
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The victims of Mayweather do not compare to the victims of Leonard, and I say that after willingly giving Floyd his much deserved props after last night's victory. I never thought Hatton would win in the first place, but Floyd deserves credit anyway.
     
  5. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    SRL UD


    PBF won a close decision against an older DLH. It shouldnt have been a split decision but it was a close fight regardless. SRL does nearly everything better than DLH does. He might not have had as good of defense as DLH produced, but he would have faster hands, better power, landing better shots and not tire in later rounds.
    He is too big, too strong and probably faster than PBF at 147.
     
  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Come on now, if Floyd is losing 3 or 4 rounds a piece to the likes of Judah and Hatton he will get his ass straight creamed by Ray Leonard.


    I don't think Mayweather would win more than a handful of rounds in a pound for pound sense, at welterweight it would be even less competitive.
     
  7. SgrRyLeonard

    SgrRyLeonard Active Member Full Member

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    No objective person can say Leonard is below Mayweather in welterweight accomplishments. Hearns, Benitez, and Duran beat Hatton, Judah, & Baldomir.
    Although talent wise, Mayweather is one of the very best.
     
  8. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Leonard. He would have destroyed Hatton easier than Mayweather did.
     
  9. hdog

    hdog Member Full Member

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    Hearns was a weight-drained corpse, Benitez was feather-fisted and didn't train and Duran was near death.

    Somebody was gonna say it. :D
     
  10. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I said the exact same thing
     
  11. Ric Zenbach

    Ric Zenbach New Member Full Member

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    I am not a PBF hater, never have been. I became a fan when he severely out classed Gatti. I also think he is the best out there at anyweight below Middleweight (I said below, not at). But Ray Leonard has much the same in terms of gifts physically, however was a bigger fighter. Even at 147 his natural size gives him more power. Leonard never was under 140 and also fought the best at Middleweight and Super Middleweight. I love Floyd but Floyd could not beat Pavlik or Calzaghe. However, Floyd would have one advantage, his dad Floyd Sr. fought him in 1978... but lost in the 10th.
     
  12. Manassa

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    It was funny last night down the pub (they stayed open for Mayweather-Hatton). My mates were all arguing the toss with me for seven whole hours about how Hatton would win; they just wouldn't listen to me when I said Mayweather was just too dynamic and versatile - that the thing separating the two fighters was a mental agility and not something plainly visible - the ability to think and adapt and evolve within a fight. This subtle, non-physical attribute is the ability to know when something isn't working. It is the ability to act on that knowledge and change one's strategy and approach their opponent from a new angle. It is the ability to poke holes in an opponent's defence; find ways to expose their vulnerabilities and attack their vital parts.

    All I got for a response was 'yea but Hatton's really up for this fight.'

    That said, Leonard UD15 Mayweather. I can't stand either of them, however.
     
  13. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Leonard by UD. Floyd wouldn't get hurt, but he'd get beat.