Mayweather would shut Pavlik out

Go through the thread paloalto...look at the rebuttals i make to your comments..i bring detailed information and i correct you many times when you state the wrong information...

If this were a debate with points earned for valid statements than you wouldn't have even been allowed to continue simply cuz u dont speak enough english to get your points across....u respond to posts with something that has nothing to do with what were debating man..

 

You're talking about my english with that type of spelling... lol xD. Anyways, it was YOU who quoted ME. Sorry about the ass whoopin I just gave you :hi:

 

Why are you getting so mad xD. You started it, you got yourself into this ass whoopin.

 

REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT WAS MAN..GO BACK THROUGH THE THREAD..

LOOK AT HOW MUCH INFO I BRING TO BACK UP MY POINTS...

LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU OR GIVE YOU THE RIGHT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DEBATING..

LMAFAO...U REALLY SITTIN THERE THINKING U KNOW UR ****..KEEP GOIN...U SHOWED ME HOW STUPID U REALLY ARE WHEN U MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT I PLACE FLOYD ABOVE OSCAR...THAT IN ITSELF ENDED UP BEING UR DOWNFALL...GO ASK 100 POSTERS WHO OWNED WHO ON THIS ***** AND THAN TALK TO ME..TILL THAN UR MY *****...G2G...

BTW I WAS REALLY TRYING TO GIVE U AN OUT WITH SPEAKING IN SPANISH INSTEAD...IM BEING HONEST HERE..I WASN'T TRYING TO DISS U BUT THE POSTS U PUT DOWN HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MY POSTS ALOT OF THE TIME WHEN YOUR WRITING YOUR REBUTTAL..I APOLOGIZE IF U TOOK OFFENSE TO IT BUT THE LANGUAGE BARRIER SEEMS TO NOT LET YOU GET OUT WHAT YOUR REALLY TRYING TO SAY AND IT ALSO DOESN'T LET U SEE MY WHOLE ARGUMENT AND STATEMENT...I WASNT BEING A DICK..JUST FEEL THAT CUZ U DONT SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL, THAT THE DEBATE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE EVEN IF WE WENT AT IT IN UR LANGUAGE INSTEAD

TAKE IT HOW U WANT BUT THE FACT IS I CORRECTED U MANY TIMES WITH WRONG INFORMATION IN THIS DEBATE..

I SCHOOLED U WITH GOOD FACTS BEHIND MY OPINIONS..

NO WAY IN HELL ARE U TAKING ME TO SCHOOL LITTLE MAN..BUT ITS FUN DEBATING WITH YOU AS I THINK UR STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE ALOT OF THE **** U POST AND I FIND IT AMUSING HOW U TRY AND POINT OUT ITEMS LIKE "VARGAS FIGHTING THE BEST" WHEN THOSE ITEMS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEBATE WERE IN..NOW IF U WANNA SIT BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER AND THINK U OWNED ME THAN FEEL FREE BUT THE POSTS SHOW OTHERWISE..

LATER BIG GUY STAY UP AND NEXT TIME I WONT TAKE THE HUGE ADVANTAGE AND SPEAK IN ENGLISH..WE'LL TRY IT IN SPANISH SO IT WILL BE A BIT MORE OF A PLAYING FIELD AS ENGLISH IS CLEARLY NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE:thumbsup LATER BRO

 

Just went back and looked at the posts again, and still don't see you correcting any of my information. Btw I thought you were done with me? You are a prime example of a frustrated poster who has just been owned.

 

Floyd is not exactly known as a powerpuncher at WW. Does anyone here think Pavlik would be covering up to any of Floyds check left hooks or cover up to protect himself of a Floyd assault? Pavlik if anything walk through Floyd and aside from that, there's also the most likely possibility that Floyd won't be carrying the same speed, power, or stamina at 160. Pavlik is limited, but his chin, pressure, and workrate might be too much. There might be the possibility Floyd might get a decision, but no way is it a shutout.

 

I OWNED YOU WHEN U STARTED TALKING ABOUT FLOYD FIGHTING ZAB AFTER THE LOSS..UR DUMBASS DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE FIGHT WAS DONE BEFORE ZAB AND CARLOS WERE A DONE DEAL ****IN DUMMY..

IM NOT GETTING MAD HOMIE...AGAIN.IM AMMUSED....UR POSTS ARE GARBAGE THOUGH MAN..U COMING OUT OF LEFT FIELD WITH A CATCHERS MIT WHEN WE ALL PLAYING BASKETBALL:rofl:rofl:rofl

THIS MUTHA ****A STARTED TALKING ABOUT VARGAS AND THE COMPETITION HE FACED WHEN WE WAS IN A DEBATE ABOUT FLOYD AND WHO HE FOUGHT...THIS GUY NEEDA BE BANNED OFF ESB FOR BEING SO STUPID..I OFFERED THE IDIOT THE OPTION TO DEBATE IN SPANISH SO IT WOULD BE EVEN SINCE HIS ENGLISH IS SO BAD AND HE KEPT ON TRYING...DUMBASS..UR THE IDIOT THAT TRIED TO TELL ME THAT I RANKED FLOYD OVER OSCAR IN THE LEGACY RATINGS..SHOWS WHAT THE **** U KNOW IDIOT..

 

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Originally Posted by paloalto00
That's the ONLY thing you bring up, you still haven't told me why he hasn't fought any other Top WW's when he had the chance. Why did he duck Cotto? Why say he needed a tune up fight, yet he picked Marquez who is according to him better than Pacquiao, why didn't he just go after pac?

Take you're time when you TRY to answer these questions, I don't expect someone who thinks Floyd has a better legacy than Hoya to come up with anything.

FIRST OFF I PLACE OSCAR (AT THIS POINT) HIGHER THAN FLOYD ON MY ATG LIST...THATS UR BIGGEST MISTAKE WHEN POSTING ....U ASSUME **** AND U END UP LOOKING STUPID WHEN U GET PROVED WRONG...SO FOR THE DAMN RECORD U IGNORANT FOOL, I PLACE OSCAR ABOVE FLOYD LEGACY WISE...

AS FOR HIM FACING MIGUEL.....I dont think he ducked him at all..i think he saw ricky at that time as the bigger money fight and he took that fight instead of the Cotto fight....Hatton was 43-0 at the time and was ranked #8 in the world and was the Champ at 140...Cotto at the time was solid and the #1 WW (as i recall) behind Floyd holding the champion status at the time...Cotto was 33-0 and I DONT RECALL COTTO EVEN CALLING FLOYD OUT OR MAKING AN OFFER..HMMM I WILL HOWEVER SAY THAT IF HE DID INFACT DUCK ANYONE IT'S COTTO...

AS FAR HIM PICKING MARQUEZ...WHO CARES IF HE SAID JMM IS BETTER THAN MANNY? THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT...FLOYD WAS OFF FOR 18 MONTHS AND EVEN I DID NOT EXPECT HIM TO PUT ON A SHUTOUT AGAINST THE 2ND BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD...

THAN HE TURNED SHANE DOWN SO HE COULD MAKE THE FIGHT WITH MANNY CUZ MANNY WAS THE BIGGER MONEY FIGHT...WHEN THEY DIDN'T FIGHT U AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED FLOYD WAS "DUCKING HIM" JUST AS YOU ASSUMED HE WAS "DUCKING MOSLEY" IN SEPTEMBER...ITS FUNNY HOW WHEN FLOYD TURNS SHANE DOWN TO FIGHT MANNY THAN THE FANS SAY "FLOYD IS DUCKING SHANE" AND WHEN THE MANNY FIGHT DONT PLAY OUT AND HE FIGHTS SHANE THAN HE IS "DUCKING MANNY"..WHICH IS IT?

TRY AGAIN DUMMY AND TRY TO STAY ON THREAD TOPIC TOO ***** A$$

THAN U TALK ABOUT 'FIGHTING BETTER WW'...WELL HE IS NOW ISN'T HE..U ALWAYS SAYING STOP BRINGING UP THE PAST WHEN SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THE WHOLE SHANE FLOYD ISSUE IN 2006 WITH THE TOOTHACHE...

SO NOW IMA TELL UR STUPID ASS...(FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE) QUIT BRINGING UP THE PAST...FLOYD TRIED TO MAKE A FIGHT WITH THE BEST WW IN THE WORLD BUT HE DIDNT WANT TO FIGHT CUZ HE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE A RANDOM DRUG TEST..SO NOW HE IS FIGHTING THE 2ND BEST WW AND HE IS STILL GETTING HATED ON ABOUT "FLOYD NEVER FIGHTS THE TOP WW'S" BY CLOWNS LIKE YOURSELF...

QUIT LIVING IN THE PAST MAN..FLOYD IS FIGHTING SHANE MOSLEY WHO IS THE RECOGNIZED #2 WW IN THE WORLD...STOP BRINGING UP OLD **** DUMMY..

I JUST GAVE U A GOOD RESPONSE TO YOUR POST..WHEN I POST VALID **** ALL U EVER TELL ME IS "FUC4 YOU" OR "U DONT KNOW NOTHING"...THAT IN ITSELF BASCIALLY SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE..U NEVER RESPOND WITH ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH BOXING..U JUST TELL ME IM A DICKHEAD OR SOME **** WHICH PROVES NOTHING REALLY..THATS WHY IM ALWAYS OWNING UR ASS STUPID
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OWNED U WITH THE POST ABOVE..U SAY I DIDN'T BRING UP ANY OF YOUR POINTS..ILL BREAK EM DOWN FOR YOU IF U WANT HERE U GO...

I RESPOND TO EVERYTHING U SAID WITH THE COTTO INCIDENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE...


GOD MAN UR A ****ING ******..U REALLY DONT KNOW UR ****...ITS FUNNY HOW U THINK U DO BUT U GETTING OWNED LEFT AND RIGHT..

AGAIN,...GO LOOK AT THE POSTS THAT WE LEFT AND LOOK AT HOW MUCH INFO..LOOK WHERE U DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHY FLOYD FOUGHT ZAB EVEN AFTER THE LOSS...

LOOK AT WHERE U TALK ABOUT FLOYD FIGHTING ZAB AFTER HE TOOK A L BUT U PRAISE MANNY FOR FIGHTING CLOTTEY WHO HAD ALSO JUST TOOK A L

 

Pavlik by knockout. Void is void. Void lost to Castillo and lost to an over-the-hill Oscar. Good things Void owns the criminal judges.

 

You're still talking? Lmfao, I've owned you harder than I've owned anyone else on this forum . When did I talk about vargas' competition?? You said Vargas was finished, it was displayed by Tito and Hoya, all I said was Tito and Hoya are no bums how is losing to greats make you a bum.

 

.........atsch

 

People laughed at that statement before he got KO'd. Now it's common knowledge.

It proves that Pavlik can cut off the ring. You asked for proof. He did it in that fight. He actually cut off the ring pretty effectively against Hopkins as well, he was just too overmatched to convert it into anything meaningful. He did a better job than Trinidad did.

Mayweather will probably run more that Miranda, but then he'll be doing even less punching than Miranda, and, therefore, less effective work.

Styles make fights. Those guys had the ability to get under an opponent's punches or to get inside and work from there. Mayweather does not fight like that. He relies on being able to dictate the exchanges from the outside, to slip and counter, to make a guy fall short and counter, to catch him on the way in and tie him up, etc. He is a defensive fighter. He will not come forward and take the lead. He will have no chance to punch. Pavlik is just too big. As soon as he comes anywhere near him, he'll get the jab in his face and he'll be forced to back up.

Pavlik is taller than Joe Louis. Would Mayweather have a chance against Joe Louis?

Shorter guys can succeed against taller guys if they have a workable strategy for landing punches. Mayweather does not. The advantages that his entire style is predicated on disappear when faced with somebody who can beat him on the outside. The fact that Pavlik is strong, powerful and has an immense work-rate only adds to these difficulties.

Miranda's punches had literally no visible effect. Pavlik walked right through them. Does Mayweather punch harder than Miranda?

For the record, I don't think Mayweather would even land anyway. Juan Manuel ****ing Marquez was able to feint him to the ropes, for Christ's sake. When a virtual Light Heavyweight who dwarfes him by the best part of a foot is charging him down, do you really think he's going to be standing his ground?

I'm glad you agree.

Ali/Foreman is an exception. There's a reason why Angelo Dundee was shitting himself with anxiety in that fight, and it's because sitting on the ropes against a big puncher is almost never a good idea. Zaire was an exception because of Foreman's psychological state, his poor stamina and Ali's exceptional chin. Pavlik is not going to be gassing.

To be honest, I don't know why I'm bothering with this when I actually have to explain to you why Mayweather lying on the ropes against Pavlik would be a bad idea. These contorted references to history really aren't helping, either. They're just not comparable to the situation we're discussing. Mayweather is not Sam Langford.

It's one of the biggest weaknesses in his style. Using lateral movement/clinching as a means of controlling the pace is much more effective. Mayweather could boss his opponents if he kept the fight in the centre of the ring; by laying on the ropes, he gives far inferior opponents the opportunity to get in free shots, even if most of them aren't landing. Against Pavlik, it would be tantamount to him signing his own death warrant.

Ross Thompson? What's relevant is that he does throw it. Otherwise, nobody would have picked Ward over Kessler. Obviously, proving it against top competition is a bonus, but it's not essential for this kind of analysis. (Although, actually, Pavlik's body shot in Round 11 of Pavlik/Taylor II arguably won him the fight, if you saw it close.)

Hopkins and Mayweather are utterly incomparable. Utterly incomparable.

Indeed, the closest fighter to Pavlik Mayweather has faced is probably DLH. Is Pavlik - in absolute terms - 3 rounds better than a faded DLH? I think so.

This is getting beyond tenuous. At the 160 limit, nobody has lasted past 10 rounds with Pavlik, including some extremely tough fighters that have gone on to be extremely tough from 168-175 in addition. DLH has had a handful of fights at 154. He's hardly proven dynamite.

So, by "better puncher", you basically mean "better fighter". How circular.

Remember, we're comparing fighters on an absolute basis here. Maybe JMM is a better puncher (in your broadened sense) at 130 than Pavlik is at 160, but both at 160 Pavlik has a lopsided edge. Pavlik is the best puncher in absolute terms Mayweather will have ever faced by quite some margin. (To be honest, the only thing lacking in Pavlik as a puncher is speed. He has great power, accuracy, timing, rage and technique.)

Speed isn't that important if you can keep a guy on the end of your shots, as Monzon proved.

I'm not even going to bother replying to this. When you think a defensive fighter who couldn't crack a mini egg at 135 is going to successfully duke it out up close against one of the biggest Middleweight champions in history, you've obviously got a screw loose. Or you're a bitter AA fan. (Or are they the same thing?)

 

Sure he wouldn't knock Pavlik out? Duran once knocked out Middleweights, you know.