Mayweather would shut Pavlik out

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Mar 29, 2010.


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  1. PBA

    PBA Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This comment is ridiculously ******ed on so many levels. Wow.
     
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  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he can beat Big Show, I can see him dealing with Pavlik no problem
     
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  3. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins bullied Tarver around the ring. He outweighed Pavlik by ten pounds on fight night. You want to completely discount size in boxing now? Why do weightclasses exist in the first place? DHL bothered Mayweather with his 5'11 frame and his jab and DHL was obviously too small to do anything at middleweight.
     
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  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was De La Hoya's skills combined with his jab and size that made a difference. You can't just put it down to size - De La Hoya had consistently been one of the best boxers in that era, so the fact he wasbigger shouldn't be that important.

    Anyway, De La Hoya knew how to use his size whereas Pavlik doesn't. Oscar had most success when he used his jab to get on the inside then worked Mayweather from there, something Pavlik wouldn't even consider doing.

    Like I said before, De La Hoya's jab worked because of the chances it opened up for him, not because the jab itself was that effective. The idea that a jab alone will beat Mayweather is simply wrong, but it is effective as a way to get on the inside, where Mayweather will always be weaker because of his style of defence. That's why I don't rate Mayweather's chances against people who work on the inside well, like Armstrong, Duran and Pryor, but if he is fighting on the outside, he is in his element, so I give him a better chance against rangey fighters like Arguello.

    Pavlik, who would fight on the outside, would perpetually fail to land his jab, which means his right hand would rarely hit it's target. If it does, Mayweather will roll with it or block it, taking away it's force. When this is failing, Pavlik would try to get on the inside but this isn't his game and Mayweather would be elusive and pot shot his way to a massive points win.
     
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  5. satan12

    satan12 Play Fast Or Die Full Member

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    :deal i always stumble upon your post and you are th only mayweather fan that make sense, i'm a pac fan and i believe if they ever get in the ring i'll be in for a good night of boxing which i cannot take sides of who's gonna win. both are the best of their era.

    with regards to the post mayweather is more skilled than pavlik it's just the power of a middle weight which i think will pose some problem to mayweather.
    ratio of mayweather having an upset 3/5
     
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  6. horst

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    No chance. We saw the trouble that Oscar's jab and physical stature gave Floyd, and that was a years past his prime Oscar. Pavlik's advantages in height and weight would be colossal, throw in the fact he can jab very well, that he can hit ten times harder than anyone Floyd has ever fought, and the fact that he is prime and hungry, and you have a KO on your hands for sure. Silly thread.
     
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  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    De La Hoya used his jab to get close. Pavlik doesn't.

    Like I said before, show me the precedent which says that Mayweather would get hit clean. Which fighter is as slow and as technically deficient as Pavlik who landed on Mayweather? Which fighter as elusive and fast as Mayweather has Pavlik hit?

    We know that Mayweather has made good punchers miss throughout a fight. People say Marquez was slow, and he was, but he landed nothing despite being a better, faster puncher than Pavlik. Against the one top class tricky, slick fighter he has fought, Pavlik didn't land one solid, knockout punch.
     
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  8. Sinew

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    I cant believe that at all . Quick work for Pavlik .
     
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  9. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    I'm certainly FAR from a Mayweather fan, but I agree with the thread starter, I think he would take an easy UD against the exceptionally limited Pavlik.
     
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  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why?

    If you were actually making a prediction, what reasons would you use behind a Pavlik win? What fights would you reference to, to make that prediction?

    Remember, guys like Sugar Ray Robinson beat guys who had ever bigger weight advantages that Pavlik would have, and he would face guys who presented a tough fight stylistically. I'm not saying Mayweather is as good as Robinson, but Pavlik doesn't present a styles problem like LaMotta either.
     
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  11. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    The irony continues as once again you prove, YOU DON'T KNOW JACK!
     
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  12. NOTINDAFACE

    NOTINDAFACE No Me Se Rajar Full Member

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    Post of the day:happy
     
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  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Pavlik is too big for PBF. Ridiculous thread.
     
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  14. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude, I have been calling for this fight for for close to 3 years now. After Floyd got that 154lbs title, I was hoping he'd climb up to get that 160lbs Crown from Pavlik. But he chose to spank Hatton. Because I knew that he was WITHOUT A DOUBT the weakest 160lbs belt holder. And when Bernard Hopkins made him look like an amateur, my first thought was Floyd would pick-his-ass apart. Hopkins was SHOWBOATING on Pavlik. When was the last time Mr. Boring (Hopkins) showboated on a Mutha'-fuka'?

    There are several fighters that unfortunately get labeled as being ONE DIMENSIONAL...But Damn, Pavlik is the standard by which all one dimensional fighters are measured. Has NO jab, NO foot or Head movement, wouldn't recognize defense if it showed up at his front door Butt-Naked, and is about as stiff as Woody Allen on "Soul Train".

    If Jermain Taylor had any stamina...No-one would have ever heard of Kelly Pavlik.
     
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  15. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather spars with middleweights but taking off the headgear and fighting one of (if not) the top guys would be too much.

    Pavlik TKO8.

    I'd be excited to watch though in case I'd be wrong :)
     
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