I think the main question is the extent. Ad******g in the ring clearly happens, but with Floyd it's often highlighted as a key characteristic of his game, something that stands out more than usual when compared to other fighters, and this is the sort of perspective I was coming from when creating this thread. Some interesting points so far, guys. I'll hopefully post my own thoughts soon. (For now, I'll just say that I've seen one of those videos before, and I wasn't impressed by its argument. I'll watch the other one soon.)
I agree with that, but the assertion that body punches turned that fight in terms of, they hurt Judah to the point where they were breaking him down, is a complete exaggeration.
Isn't Compubox just a guy on a button, one who is giving his own interpretation of what is landing, what isn't? I mean, are we to believe that Calzaghe landed as many punches on Hopkins as what Compubox suggested? When people try and asset that Mosley actually was active against Mayweather, that is where Floyd fans lose their credibility, cause anyone with a pair of eyes can visibly see, that Mosley was gassed for the majority of that fight after his early big push.
Well the person you quoted mentioned the motion of THROWING, not landing. I would assume it to be a lot easier to see a punch being thrown and be able to count it compared to a punch landing.
No it doesn't. You guys jsut overblow his ability to 'adapt.' When has he ever compeltely switched up his gameplan mid-fight like Leonard did with Hearns? Where did he adapt against castillo or De La Hoya? He's a skilled and smart fighter, but he fights one style. He's not Bruce Lee. Most guys just can't adjust to his speed or athleticism.
Okay, but do you seriously! think that fight was a case of Mosley missing majority of punches, rather than him looking tired? The man was pushing his punches at times. Honestly, anyone who thinks Mosley was not blowing in that fight, does know what their watching, should not comment in these type of threads.
He can adjust well in mid rounds but saying no one can beat him according to the fanboys is ridiculous!
Well when you miss a punch you use more energy trying to maintain the balance of over throwing. Factor in Mosley blew his load his round 2. Mix all that together you got a Mosley who's slowed down. On top of that, Mayweather was getting in some good body work. Specially right after Mosley hurt him.
He mostly has one gameplan, but he adapts to little things that make a big difference. Like o, you're going to through your jab, I'll throw my right hand over that. Ok now you're double jabbing, now I'll do something to counter that.
Mosley gassed out later in round 2 and became predictable. jab jab jab straight right or overhand right until the 12th round. :-(
You are seemingly the type of person I was talking about then. Its one thing giving him credit, but you guys try and distort reality, commonsense, to prop him up, which is most probably why you guys have such a bad reputation as a collective group.
Well first you tried to say Mosley gassed and threw a lot less punches. Then now it was shown to you that he threw the same/more. You claim he was pushing his punches. I mean, you just flip flopped yet try to get on my case for pointing stuff out? Come on man.
That's true but all top fighters do that to one degree or another. Boxing is about adaptation and fighting your fight. Floyd is a defensive fighter, it's his job to counter punch and take away his opponents weapons. That doesn't make him Bruce Lee.
Compubox is ****. They probably counted the times Mosley touched gloves with Floyd as punches thrown. But its true Mosley kept throwing but it was mostly arm punches with nothing behind them, he was simply too tired to throw anything with any force behind it.
I cant remember if a I specified or not, but I was referring to what he landed. I think it was you, or the other guy, that made the assertion, about how much he was throwing. As I said to, Compubox is inaccurate imo, I learned this after the Hopkins fight, infact while on the topic, do you think Calzaghe landed as many punches as he apparently did? do you refute the Compubox numbers from Castillo/Mayweather, which favour Castillo? im sure you do, therefore..................... I did not flip flop about anything, but if I wanted to, why would I be scared to change my opinion if someone pointed out something valid? that is the best way to come to the most accurate assessment, which is what this should be about, not trying to prop up your hero because! he is your hero.