Mayweather's best wins vs. Roy Jones best wins

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  1. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be honest I rate Woods higher , had Woods employed a dietician earlier in his career he could be ranked as one of the best LHWs around.

    That said Floyd has the better record , Roy squandered his prime fighting too many handpicked opponents

    ( both great fighters tho ! )
     
  2. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the conclusion of this thread.

    Only two comments could be said to debate that idea:

    1) It is a dilema of quality against quantity. MM has more wins against quality opposition. RJJ has the two best wins. Depends on what you prefer.

    2) Hopkins was a bit young and green. We know he primed late and let's remember he didn't have any amateur experience. It's not like a win over a 2001 Hopkins. A win over a young Hopkins could be comparable to a win over an old De la Hoya, or maybe not. Anyway, Jones still has the win over James Toney, which is better than any win on Mayweather's resume.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    Please tell me this is some sort of joke?

    You could be very easily describing Mayweather right there
     
  4. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think he handpicked opponents. He just had bad luck because his era -the 90s Light Heavyweights- sucked.
     
  5. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Tarver also deserves to get listed for Jones, and arguably Eric Harding does as well. Those are both quality wins, with Harding himself having wins over Tarver and Griffin. He actually gave Roy more trouble that most as well, at least for a few rounds.
     
  6. Arkanscott

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    Tarver was a quality opponent, and it was technically a win...but it was so ugly and really marked the end of Roy Jones as both a boxer and a commenter. I think he had every intention of hanging the jersey in the rafter after the Ruiz fight. He was never the same fighter after training back down to light heavyweight. He was never the same commenter after Glen Johnson punched him ******ed.
     
  7. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd was at his best in the Jr. LW division. He rocked there. But if you compare the victories on who they fought and HOW they beat them, Roy has the edge. He destroyed Hill with one body shot, he completely dominated Toney won basically every round, completely dominated Ruiz...
    If he is going to count the first Castillo fight why not count the first Tarver fight? Even though Roy was on a decilne, those wins would compare the same, only difference is Roy was on a decline at 34-35 and got KO'd in the rematch and Floyd was still in his 20's (prime) but won the 2nd fight, it wasn't easy but he won it easier.

    Hoya hasn't won a singificant fight since Vargas imo. He is old, how is that victory mentioned but not Roy's victory from a past his prime Mike McCallum?
     
  8. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, Mayweather was never knocked stiff. Jones was..twice.
    Not by hall of fame candidates either.
     
  9. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Jones was and is shot. Let's see how Floyd looks at that age.
     
  10. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Lets not talk about past prime loses or we could start on a dodgy path :good
     
  11. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well lets wait and see how Mayweather does when he is 35. When Roy was 30 he seemed invincible too. But those KO's will forever blemish his career, even though he was past his prime and shot. /sarcasm
     
  12. brooklyn1550

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    I'd take the quality over quantity in this case because Toney and Hopkins and far superior to De La Hoya and Hatton. I consider Hopkins a better win than De La Hoya because Hopkins was able to win 4 rounds against Jones. To me, that showed he was an elite fighter.

    It's the same with Sugar Ray Leonard. His 4 best wins are amazing quality, but the rest of his resume is very thin. Looking at his best wins against Mayweather's best wins, Leonard has the overwhelming advantage in quality early on, but gettng deeper into their resumes, Mayweather has the advantage.

    But you're right, it depends on whether you prefer quality or quantity.


    Jones also has wins over Hill, McCallum, Ruiz, Malinga, Griffin, and Woods. Compare that with Castillo, Hernandez, Corrales, Judah, Gatti, and Chavez. It's still very debatable which wins were better.

    Jones beat Hill in much more impressive fashion than Mayweather beat Castillo. I'd give Roy the edge here.

    Both McCallum and Hernandez were at the end of the road, but I'd take Mayweather's win because Hernandez was fighting at his best weight, had more left in the tank, and Floyd stopped him.

    Ruiz and Corrales is an interesting one. There are cases to be made for both, but I'd give it to Floyd because of the way he beat him, the fact he was an underdog, and because I hold Corrales in higher regard than John Ruiz.

    I'd actually take the Malinga win over Judah because Malinga has beaten better fighters than Zab (Nigel Benn and Robin Reid). And he did so AFTER Roy knocked him out which indicates he clearly had a lot left in the tank.

    Lastly, I hold Jones's wins over Griffin, Woods, and Tarver in higher regard than Mayweather's wins over Gatti, Chavez, and Baldomir. I believe they are better fighters and they have also beaten the better fighters.

    It's still very debatable whether or not Mayweather has a DEEPER resume than Jones. I'm sure you could make a damn good case for him though.
     
  13. kgs83

    kgs83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mayweather for me
     
  14. Tyson180

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    griffin beat toney? maybe you were as crooked as those judges -- and I'm sorry, John Ruiz is not a quality win. Foster challenged Ali for the title; Jones would get spanked by Lewis and he knew it so he chose Jawwny. Pathetic
     
  15. KDot10

    KDot10 Roy Jones Jr. Full Member

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    If Mayweather fights, and defeats Cotto, then I'll consider choosing him over Roy.

    Not now tho, RJJ