Mayweather's Resume

This though is the essence of what I'm trying to get at debating different fighters around the divisions who could be considered better.

Starting at 130 while both were considered top fighters. The clear #1 guys were Hernandez who only had 1 loss at SFW to Mayweather, & Corrales was seen as a monster. Corrales also has a win over Frietas and a 1-2 recod vs Casamayor you just state yourself you felt they were the true champ well those would be two A-level win vs them for Corrales.

Spafadora I think got locked up for about 5/6 years around 99/01. Castillo who is called by many the best LW of this era holds wins over Prime Casamayor, Frietas, Johnston, J.Diaz, C.Bazan, Paez, splitting with Corrales, possibly Mayweather aswell ect.. though there were other title holders a great argument can be made that no LW Champ in recent history should be rated over Castillo.

At JWW its hard to say who's definitely the best there as Cotto was young his resume at JWW was similar to Thurmans now a lot of hype for the future but little substances,Tyszu and Mayweather both wanted to fight each other early on both cited network issue's blocked it initially. I believe the winners of Hatton-Tyszu/Mayweather-Gatti were supposed to square off but after Hatton beat Tyszu he attended to Gatti fight and afterwards his trainers claimed Hatton was not ready. Cotto was also at that fight what is little known is that Cotto actually wanted to fight Mayweather at JWW they set up a match between Mayweather-Brussles a fighter who grew up with, had the same trainer, and trained with Cotto to see how Cottos style would fare vs Mayweather after Mayweather demolished Gatti/Brussles Cotto's team said he wasn't ready for the fight.

WW is were most of the criticism, I think to compare fighters here you have to break it into two points before and after retirement. At his first stop I think between Judah/Margarito/Baldomir/Williams its a interesting debate, Margarito was a long running WBO Champ at WW yet was fighting the same level of comp as Baldomir, Baldomir earned a title shot by his 8 year run of being unbeaten, Judah was an established Champ who won the Undisputed WW Title in one of the best lineages of recent time he was fighting on a higher level than the other three fighters combined at the time. Judah/Baldomir's credentials suggest they are higher all time than Margarito. Margarito is most noted for his call out after Mayweather-Baldomir during the presser, Margarito was signed to a fight at the time and lost to Williams didn't get another notable win til Cotto 2 years later. Williams proceeded to lose to Quintana directly after, Hoya was the biggest star at the time noone would argue that any version of Oscar from Mayweather/Mayorga fights and back doesn't kill any version of Margarito/Williams/Quintana/Clottey ect... Hatton though not a top WW was the Undisputed Champ at JWW Mayweather was the Undisputed Champ at WW and every WW around just loss. Mayweather started at SFW Hatton at JWW I understand that some fighters are ATG's in some divisions only to move up later and get beat but 4 division's compared to 1 when he weighs more at JWW than you at WW isn't a size advantage.

I think Mayweather'a retirement had more to due with lack of huge fights not because there were two many while he fought the last two true Undisputed WW Champs(Judah/Baldomir), the WBC JMW Champ(Hoya) and the Undisputed JWW Champ(Hatton) between 06-07/8 Margarito had just lost, Williams lost, Quintana lost, Mosley trying to rebuild his name ducked Mayweather on live tv in 06/7 then lost to Cotto, Cotto as most recently as 06/7 at the time said he was not ready, who was Clottey...

I think Margarito could have gotten the fight if he wasn't caught for cheating but he beat Cotto in 08 which is the only A-level win in his career then got caught cheating and KO'd/suspended 6 months later which puts his previous win in question, most of the other fighters moved up in weight. The Top WW were Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Pacquiao, Clottey.

The Marquez situation is interesting the fight was originally planned to happen early 09, Marquez himself said he wanted to fight Mayweather because he thought Pacquiao was running from him after their second bout a year earlier in 08 and the only way he would he able to fight him again is if he chased him up and beat the best in Mayweather. Was fight was moved due to a injury to Mayweather. Cotto at the time was in a slump he had just lost his father/trainer was coming off possibly being cheated out of his 0 byway of plaster and was basically training himself, Clottey made his name off catching Cotto during this time and arguably winning, after the Pacquiao fight Cotto took off the longest break in his career.

Mosley, Pacquiao, Berto were the Champs when May-Pac fell though Mosley was the #1 WW/Champ him and Berto were scheduled to fight Berto pulled out due to a natural disaster in his country Mayweather-Mosley happened in 10". After May-Pac fell through again there wasn't another huge win at WW til Ortiz-Berto for his title in early 11" Mayweather-Ortiz happened later that year. Cotto moved up hooked up with two of the best trainers in Steward than Diaz, Pacquiao beat Clottey and a unranked Margarito then Mosley coming off a one sided loss to May and a draw @154.

I feel Mayweather-Pacquiao was a huge legacy fight for both between 09-12, now unless something drastic happens if Mayweather wins is just a decent win we all know taking Mayweather's 0 is the biggest thing you can do in this generation so any name can be in Pacquiao's place if they won it's a ATG win. Yet it didn't happen who really cares why between the two I'd argue Mayweather has had the bigger scalpes since talks Iinitially broke down in 09"

Mayweather- S.Mosley(WBA Champ #1WW/#3P4P), V.Ortiz(WBC Champ #3WW), M.Cotto(WBA Champ #1JMW), R.Guerrero(WW Titlist #3WW/#10P4P), S.Alvarez(WBA/WBC Unified Champ #1JMW/#10P4P), M.Maidana(WBA Champ #4WW)=6(1)-0

Pacquiao- J.Clottey(#4WW), A.Margarito(unranked), Mosley(#5WW), J.Marquez III(unranked #5P4P), T.Bradley I(WBC JWW Champ #1JWW/#9P4P), J.Marquez IV(unranked #2P4P), B.Rios (unranked), T.Bradley II(WBO Champ #2WW/#3P4P)=6(1)-2(1)

 

I think the statues of this era is over blown Margarito/Clottey are not ATGS but Barrera/Castillo are.

The assessment that he chose not to try is false imo between the best names that could be added to his resume Casa, Frietas, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley are on public record saying they didn't want to fight and of the fighters who actually wanted to fight him when they were close Tyszu lost and retired, Margarito lost and never recovered, Williams lost and moved up
Pacquiao is on record to have turned down a Mayweather fight twice aftering getting caught lying about terms.