Mayweathwer & Pacquiao what I think.

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  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Based on Pacquiao's recent opoents and his preformances there is no real sign that these wins are not on the level, and refusual to take a drug test is not an admision of gulit. However I don't understand why the Pacquiao camp is unwilling to take more complete testing for PED's, HGH, etc,etc.
    If Mayweather is a coward who is proposing this more complete testing as a way out and Paquiao is the brave one who will take on all comers. Than he has Mayweather right were he wants him. If Pacquiao agrees to the Mayweather proposal. Than Mayweather has nothing left. He would be traped into the fight, of which for the most part the terms have already been decided. Including: Date, Location, Glove Size, Weight and Purse Split. However Pacquiao's camp has stuck to their poistion that the Navida State Athletic Commision testing is good enough or to testing that at best is less than random.
    This leads me to beleve two things are going on.
    1. They don't like their chances. They view Mayweather as the better boxer. Mayweather is bigger at 5′ 8″ compared to 5′ 6½″ for Pacquiao and has the longer reach 72″ compared to 67″. If Pacquiao is faster than Mayweather he is not faster by that much. Mayweather is a counter-puncher. Pacquiao is an agrisive boxer who's style is made for a counter puncher to take advantage of. On paper everything favors Mayweather.
    2. Pacquiao is not 100% clean. I beleve that reason 1. Is the true reason. First of all there is nothing out of the ordnary about Pacquiao's weight gain. Secondly The guys he has beaten he is better than. The way he has beaten them with the exception of Hatton is not overly impresive. He should have beat Daiz. He should have beat a weight drained De La Hoya. He is a more skillful boxer than both Hatton and Cotto. I see nothing out of the ordnary with these wins.
    Based on the way his team is acting, other than the lawsuit we have not really herd from Pacquiao himself. If he is not 100% clean than he is being "sliped" something rather than knownly taking something himself. It only takes one person the rest of his team including himself could be in the dark about it.
    to sum up
    Do I think Pacquiao is 100% clean? Yes
    Is his not wanting to take the most complete tests posible an admision of gulit? No.
    Should he agree to the Mayweather Proposal? Yes
    Do sense some concern about the fight from the Pacquiao camp? Yes.
    Do I think that Mayweather's testing requests are unusual? Yes
    Do I think they are unreasonable? NO
     
  2. ripcity

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    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i wish you spaced that **** out...
     
  4. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Good post overall.

    I have to disagree with this part though: "The guys he (Pac) has beaten he is better than.
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    All three wins were very impressive for Pac. He beat guys that are naturally bigger than him. Don't say he was expected to beat DLH, I remember the vast majority of ESBers thought that DLH would decapitate Pac, noone knew DLH would look so weight drained and that Pac would be able to bust up his face.

    As for Cotto, Pac isn't necessarily more skilled, but his amazing speed combined with his power helped him destroy a very good natural welterweight. This is a great achievement, people were split before the fight about the outcome, it's not like everybody expected Pac to win it.

    As for the questions in the last part of your post, I agree 100%.
     
  5. Morrissey

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    Can not get it actually, based on your answer.

    Given that you believe that Pacquaio is clean, why do you think it was not unreasonable for the Mayweathers to introduce an unprecedented stricter drug testing solely designed to check if Pac is on droids or not, to the point that it will jeopardize the fight?

    On the other hand, I sense some concern from Mayweather also. If they are confident about beating Pac, why all these hassle? It is not as simple and normal as some people are thinking, it is like you are being forced to prove yourself in an accusation which is baseless in the first place.
     
  6. LukeO

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    I thought Pacquiao was too small for DLH, until the 3rd round where it looked like Ali getting hammered by Holmes.
    DLH had no business in that ring.
     
  7. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I spaced the paragraphs. I hope this allows you to make a better informed opinion of my opinion.

    Based on Pacquiao's recent opoents and his preformances there is no real sign that these wins are not on the level, and refusual to take a drug test is not an admision of gulit. However I don't understand why the Pacquiao camp is unwilling to take more complete testing for PED's, HGH, etc,etc.
    If Mayweather is a coward who is proposing this more complete testing as a way out and Paquiao is the brave one who will take on all comers. Than he has Mayweather right were he wants him. If Pacquiao agrees to the Mayweather proposal. Than Mayweather has nothing left. He would be traped into the fight, of which for the most part the terms have already been decided. Including: Date, Location, Glove Size, Weight and Purse Split. However Pacquiao's camp has stuck to their poistion that the Navida State Athletic Commision testing is good enough or to testing that at best is less than random.

    This leads me to beleve two things are going on.
    1. They don't like their chances. They view Mayweather as the better boxer. Mayweather is bigger at 5′ 8″ compared to 5′ 6½″ for Pacquiao and has the longer reach 72″ compared to 67″. If Pacquiao is faster than Mayweather he is not faster by that much. Mayweather is a counter-puncher. Pacquiao is an agrisive boxer who's style is made for a counter puncher to take advantage of. On paper everything favors Mayweather.

    2. Pacquiao is not 100% clean. I beleve that reason 1. Is the true reason. First of all there is nothing out of the ordnary about Pacquiao's weight gain. Secondly The guys he has beaten he is better than. The way he has beaten them with the exception of Hatton is not overly impresive. He should have beat Daiz. He should have beat a weight drained De La Hoya. He is a more skillful boxer than both Hatton and Cotto. I see nothing out of the ordnary with these wins.

    Based on the way his team is acting, other than the lawsuit we have not really herd from Pacquiao himself. If he is not 100% clean than he is being "sliped" something rather than knownly taking something himself. It only takes one person the rest of his team including himself could be in the dark about it.

    to sum up
    Do I think Pacquiao is 100% clean? Yes
    Is his not wanting to take the most complete tests posible an admision of gulit? No.
    Should he agree to the Mayweather Proposal? Yes
    Do sense some concern about the fight from the Pacquiao camp? Yes.
    Do I think that Mayweather's testing requests are unusual? Yes
    Do I think they are unreasonable? NO
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  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    De La Hoya may have been naturaly bigger but what dose that mean? and yes a lot of us were fooled myself included. However if you look back De La Hoya who was at the time a 154 Lbs boxer and not a 147 Lbs boxer was clearly weight drained.

    Cotto is a very good boxer but he is not as good as advertised. He is not an elite boxer. His win over Mosley is by the narowest of margans same with Clotty.
     
  9. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Their not acausing Pacquiao of anything. Mayweather will be subject to the same testing.
    Perhaps we should let them put plaster in there wraps as well?
    The only reason this bout is in jeperdy is because one of the particpints does not want to be subject to more througho testing.
     
  10. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Not accusing him?
    His dad and uncle outright say he is juicing.
     
  11. ripcity

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    They have made their suspisions known but they are not standing in the way of this fight. And no prposing more complete PED/HGH testing is not standing in the way.
     
  12. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    I don't disagree with the fact DLH was weight drained at 147, of course he was. Still, the much smaller Pac completely dominating him was impressive and nobody expected that to happen, even the people who believed before the fight that DLH would be weight drained. So the win, especially the way it came, was very impressive.

    Still, there are not many welterweights better than Cotto out there. Actually, there are very few, and if we describe Shane as elite, don't forget Cotto beat him, even by a razor thin decision. And yes, Cotto isn't an elite fighter, but he's a good and strong welterweight, so for the naturally smaller Pac to destroy him the way he did was pretty damn impressive. You said it wasn't.
     
  13. ripcity

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    Pacquiao is not that smaller than Cotto. If you are going tobring up that he was a flyweight. He was 19 back than and 31 now. People tend to get bigger in that time frame. When I was 19 I weighed close to 140 when I was 31. I weighed close to 160.
     
  14. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    No, I'm not going to bring that up. I'm only saying the Pac win over Cotto was impressive and it's diminishing for Pac's performance to say it wasn't.
     
  15. Morrissey

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    They are not accusing Pac of anything? Wow!

    :lol:


    Then why, all of a sudden, they are requesting an UNPRECEDENTED, historical drug test for Pac in this fight? They want him to prove to them that he is not on steroids, even though Pac has tested negative in all drug tests mandated by boxing commission before?

    It is like them ordering Pacquaio," Ok, before we have a fight, I want you to take a stricter drug test. . Just to be sure this is a fair fight. Even if you pass the tests before, we still require you to have it. Anyway, NSAC testing sucks and we don't trust it."

    Mayweather subjecting himself to it is irrelevant. It was his idea, in the first place. The NSAC is not even requiring it.

    I always maintained it is just a *****, cheap move from Mayweather to rattle Pacquaio in their fight and tarnish his image. I still see it that way.

    I hope the slander case materializes and prosper and teach the Mayweathers some lesson.