some of your points are good, they both did have different styles and one of the comments that someone posted had me thinking about these 2. I think both Vlad and Lewis have been accused of not having the best whiskers and while Vlad went down by rabbit shot punches that I did not consider legal KD's he has been hurt and stopped. Vlad is much more cautious than Lennox was but Lennox also did not have the late power ( not proven) and Vlad has and Lennox was KO'd 2x by one-punch (but in the case of Rahman it was a follow-up)...both men had trouble with recovery and both were big man with exceptional offense but Lewis was a bit more rugged and appeared meaner but Vlad showed killer instinct vs Austin and in his last fight vs Mormeck (kept punching) Just my thoughts on the 2 men and how they both overcame in different ways. I cant help comparing as Vlad keeps adding to his resume and improving
That's fair enough BD. Your comparisons seemed unfair and a little harsh, i thought i'd balance them out.
I once had a theory about Lewis falling on d referee which is n obvious thing in d fight : D DKP ref pulled and rattled Lewis in order 2 make him seem this way . However , in light of this thread i somehow came 2d enlightment that if it happened , 1 would expect Lewis 2 say something about it and he got 18 yrs 2 say it but never did so far , so i guess Lewis did fall on d ref and d stoppage was n extremely good call , u don't even have 2 look in2 Lewis' eyes (which d ref did but we don't know what he saw) 2 c that he fell on d ref . In addition , Lewis himself said after d fight that McCall landed a very good right hand , but , of course , that he should have been given d chance 2 continue . Maybe if d ref didn't block Lewis' fall there would have been no doubt and no complaints from any1 , or maybe Lewis expected d ref 2 lift him up and hold him upright after d following KDs that would have happened . And post McCall Lewis was not any more impressing than d pre McCall 1 , just like Wladimir did not improve since Lamon Brewster or Corrie Sanders if u like . He just became even dirtier and reluctant 2 punch , a milder Hopkins in a HW's body , minus d headbutts since he's 2 tall 2 execute them .
Thats a good point:good It could also mean hes not a moaner who makes excuses and just gets on with it
Was he ready by the count of 10, the answer is yes. However it's irrelevant because he didn't get knocked out, it was a technical knockout meaning the referee didn't see him as being fit to continue. That is the question, imo, was he fit to continue. At first glance you'd have to say no. With the benefit of time and analysis you might reach a different conclusion but at the time upon first viewing he looks finished. Maybe some referee's would give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he'd have recovered enough to win the fight. Who knows? It's the ref's decision and it seems fair. Plenty of fights end without a full ten count being administered and there's a legitimate argument that a whole lot of them would have recovered with time. To be completely honest, oliver had lewis timed anyway, he'd have taken unnecessary punishment imo.
I thought the stoppage was a bit premature. Yes, Lewis was on shaky legs, but many other boxers during that period were given the benefit of the doubt under similar or worse circumstances. However, it's not as bad as, say, Tyson vs Ruddock.
my point was that Lewis , as d chronic moaner that he was , and he did not forget 2 complain immediately after this fight as well , This content is protected , This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected
:good Yeah, i understand. His legs were completely shot, he was falling into the referee. There's no way the ref was big and strong enough to make him wobbly around like that anyway.
my reply was not meant 2u , i took it that u understood , i only used your post as part of my reply 2 johnmaff , it was meant 2 johnmaff who quoted me , but somehow got what he wanted from my post which was d opposite of my intention . So opposite that it took me a while 2 understand d depth of his misunderstanding , and i still don't understand how my post could b so much misunderstood . i thought about it myself as well but i differ u on this 1 , just like d principles of energy and motion preservation and d 1st (?) law of newton and what i mean 4 sure is that F=m*a . F will accelerate mass a even if it's small and mass m is large . But my post still stands just as firmly as it previously was because it made no such assumptions .
I believe he should have been allowed to continue, as it was a championship bout. However, with the amateur background Lennox had, I'd have also expected him to have an understanding of how to communicate sufficient preparedness to a referee, especially a foreign referee. (Harry Gibbs probably would have let it continue.)