McCallum vs. Monzon

Monzon could absolutely fight going backwards. See the Briscoe and Valdez fights.

 

Every person who beat McCallum was a top fighter. He didnt lose to average fighters. Monzon also had a impressive record but mos of his fights were in his home country so who knows who talented those guys were. Monzon also had 9 or 10 draws in his career. Who is to say he didnt lose those fighters? Monzon isnt got so he can lose and he did lose. McCallum also lost but I believe he fought better fighters and lost to better ones.

Dont list the names of the fighters Monzon fought because names are names. Most of you people are stuck on the name game. If you heard a person was good even if you never seem them fight you will believe they were good. The fact is Monzon never fought anybody as skilled as Roy Jones or a fighter like James Toney.

McCallum should be able to beat a fighter like Monzon

 

Oh dear!!!

atsch

 

Very true...but if Monzon is anything its a top fighter who is far from average.

A lot of his most important fights were actually away from home..His early career, where his losses and draws were, is pretty irrelevant as he was still learning

Plus knowing the scoring system at the time in Argentina, those draws may have not been all that controversial as any close fight was called a draw...Either way those fights dont have a lot of weight here, as Carlos wasnt yet the finished product yet.

I wont even name them...but Ive seen most of them and they were all mostly excellent fighters..It was strong division at the time. If you dont want people to name the fighters it leads me to believe you havent seen them. So how can you be so matter of fact?
Excuse me if you have seen all of Monzon's defenses but I find it hard to see how you would just dismiss the fighters he fought as just "names", if you had actually seen them at work.

Mike isnt leaps and bounds better then Emile Griffith or Nino Benevenuti if at all..they are fairly close in a h2h sense.

Well Napoles, as blown up as he was, was as skilled as Jones...if not more so because he relied less on freakish athleticism.

Im not sure how that matters anyway because Mike isnt like these guys...and Monzon is more proven then both of them at the weight..and without a shadow of a doubt in my mind a better fighter then Toney at 160.

Mike really doesnt do anything better...A lot of the things they both do well are about the same and thus I see this being a really competitive fight.
The thing that is seperates them IMO is that Monzon is a better ring general and I can see him controlling the fight better overall.

 

I really like McCallum in this fight. The normal weakness for McCallum against the elite, is hand speed. This is not the problem here.

McCallum had a great chin, and great counter punching ability. McCallum would see a lot of Monzon's offense from the start, and capable of taking his punch when landed.

I can see McCallum winning this.

 

NO!!! At 155 to 160 pounds, Napoles and Griffith were NOT nearly as good as "Jones or Toney" at 160.............. Pound-4-pound is a reasonable notion, but at middleweight, it is NOT!!

McCallum at 154 to 168 was a seriously skilled mother in the ring up until 1992....... In '92, at age 36, McCallum began his decline; yet he still fought a prime Royal Jones in 1996 on FAIRLY even terms inspite of giving up 13 goddamn yrs in age............

MR.BILL

 

I have 14 of Monzon's fights on film. The guy was consistently great like a real life terminator. I won't name names, but I can assure you several of the fighters he beat were as good or better than Toney. As far as Roy Jones, well McCallum didn't come close to beating Jones.

 

I ill go with Monzon in a close decision. I'm not trying to be conservative. I really do think it would be close with Carlos pulling ahead in the late rounds.

 

I know who Monzon beat, I can read and I watched various fights. This guy isnt god, even though you people pretend he is. You act like he cant lose. Every fighter can and will lose, every fighter can and will be knocked out if he figthers enough good fighters.

I mentioned this before and the dumb dumbs of this forum took it for some racial. But I will use this point again. The best boxers are usually white and black americans. The best boxers Monzon faces were rarely black americans or white americans. Do that means other countries cant produce good boxers? Nope I am no saying that, I said this before Gregoria Peralta is on the most underrated fighters in boxing history.

That being said a huge portion of Monzon's fights were against his fellow country men. Not known for being great middleweight boxers. McCallum on the other hand best wins were against black fighters, most middleweight champions since 1900 were black so we have pedigree in that weight class.

Mike McCallum was a really good fighter and Carlos Monzon was a good fighter but most of the post so far act as if McCallum was some 3rd rate fighter and Monzon was some boxing god which he wasn't. Mike McCallum was a better fighter in my book.

 

That is pure uneducated tripe Chris...you really have a lot to learn about this sport.

 

I wanna tax that broad so bad......:good

MR.BILL

 

Sofia Legend, Billy boy...look her up.

 

Yes he did, when he fought Benvenuti and Napoles.

McCallum didn't beat either of those fighters either, so how is that even an argument in his favor?

 

I'm not saying Monzon couldn't box well....... I'm just saying he normally was stronger than his smaller / weaker opponent / victim........

MR.BILL:scaredas:

 

Monzon over McCallum for mine.