McClellen if he never got injured

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  1. Walter Sobchak

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    Ben survived the onslaught and a few hairy moments here and there, and ultimately walked McClellen down. He was head hunting for the whole fight and wasn't afraid of McClellen.
     
  2. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    It's my understanding a boxer gets 20 seconds to get back on his feet and in the ring if he falls out of it. Benn took 13 seconds from hitting the canvas on the other side of the ropes to being on his feet, in the ring and ready to box on.
     
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  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Right...he should not have gotten extra time because he wasnt on the floor outside the ring.
    So again it comes up should Benn have been counted out.
     
  4. bbjc

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    Honestly think mclellan went into that fight injured. Seemingly was having headaches since the jackson fight. On top of the fights the sparring at the kronk gym was brutal.

    If he would have stayed with steward i reckon he would have ended up a massive name...and the only one i even give a chance against roy jones. Favour jones cause he was tremendous but reckon mclellans power gives him a chance. He was a decent mover etc as well.

    Although even steward said out of all the guys he ever trained mclellan had by far the nastiest streak of them all.

    Benn deserves massive credit for the win...but something seemed off with mclellan after that first round. He couldnt do anything to avoid benns punches. His reactions seemed slowed. Weather it was down to benn being great or mclellan wilting who knows. The blinking was heavy from quite early in the fight...the commentators mentioned it numerous times.
     
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  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This it's stuff like this that makes sense factual sense nor logical sense. Logic dictates that if you're hurt and knockdown multiple times, YOU SHOULD'VE been afraid of McClellen's power, it certainly doesn't say the opposite. I could see somebody saying this if a guy doesn't appear hurt at all and just walks through punches. When the complete opposite happens, and the guy looks like he's on rollerskates, and other refs have stopped fights for less, I'd hardly say... He wasn't afraid of his power. If he wasn't, he's one of the dumbest people on the planet.
     
  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry bud, the blatant fouling always left a bad taste in my mouth. He should've been DQ'd for it, it was almost Flynn like blatant. If Benn could've beaten him straight up, with no dangerous fouling, I'd be more impressed. He didn't.
     
  7. Gannicus

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    Jones Jr knocks him out.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    They fouled each other, ultimately Benn was the better man.
     
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  9. bbjc

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    Benn won the fight fair and square for me. Fouled at times but it wasnt a disqualification imo. He was a rough fighter that put everything on the line.

    Even without the fouling if you watch it back mcllellan was struggling big time to deal with benn after that first round. Benn hit him a lot.

    The only thing i would be asking is if that was the best mclellan in the ring that night. The trainer was a joke. As much as i liked benn i think mclellan was damaged goods going in also.

    Either that or his reaction times were poor but they seemed to be fine in his previous fights.

    Just my opinion of it of course. Regardless benn does deserves massive credit for the win. Ashame it ended how it did.
     
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  10. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can't possible say a fighter won a fight fair and square, when in fact, he didn't win the fight fair and square. Not even close. I don't understand the statement of it wasn't enough to get DQ'd. This is blatantly false. The ref warned him numerous times to stop. He never did. Thus a DQ was warranted by the rules. If he was doing nothing wrong, then why did the Ref give him numerous warning? Clearly indicating he was doing something wrong. Even if the ref never warned him, that doesn't mean he wasn't doing anything wrong. We can see for ourselves he was. So both of these statements go against what we see on film .
     
  11. bbjc

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    Not that interested in replying. Will do anyway...benn was the better man on the nite. Was a rough fighter...dragged mclellan into a war after one way traffic in the first and ended up drowning him. Did he foul excessively enough to be disqualified. I dont think so.

    I dont think mclellan trained for a fight to go over a certain amount of rounds. Cause after the first round he was flagging. Benn got the better of him for most of it after the first.

    Was a fight between two of the roughest hardest punchers and men out there. Both were known for it. This wasnt two silky boxers going at it. Fight was always going to end up a rough occasion for me.
     
  12. KuRuPT

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    So shouldn't have answered unless you were going to be honest and fair, not give a post being obtuse and illogical. They could both be the roughest fighters in history, that has NOTHING to do with fouls occurring and being DQ'd. Them being or not being rough in other fights, has ZERO bearing on the letter of the law and how this fight should be refereed. None. It doesn't matter if Benn was a rough fighter and got away with it, he shouldn't have, nor should he have in this fight.

    You simply can't get around the fact that the ref NOTICED blatant illegal fouling was occurring, warned him numerous times and threatened to take a point away, yet did NOTHING even though he continued the same fouling. Him not doing his job correctly, doesn't somehow make the tactics anymore valid. Yet instead of trying to be fair and just, you decide to be unfair and skirt around the subject by diverting attention away from the fact at hand; Been continually fouled the G-Man, and very dangerous fouls at that. A foul that has been a known cause of brain trauma, which is why it was made illegal. Then the boxer getting illegal fouled over and over, actually has some damage occur... and you wanna go... Well they were both rough fighters so it's okay. What type of assbackwards logic is this. He should've been DQ'd plain and simple. No amount of covering up your ears and go no no no will change that.
     
  13. bbjc

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    Fault lies with the ref. Personally after benn got out that first round he had mclellans number with or without the rabbit punching. I cant be bothered going back and forth tbh.

    I ll let you have your opinion on it.
     
  14. Tankatron

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    Here we go again with the bleating hearts for McClellan. How many times did McClellan continue to hit Benn when he was already ass down on the ropes in the first round? A lot of the "rabbit punches" we're due to McClellan leaning in on Benn when trying to clinch. At the end of the day, Benn got away with what he could and did everything possible to win. That's what fighters like Benn are all about. McClellan and his entourage had been spouting plenty of **** about how they were gonna smash Benn up, hospitalise him, end his career, etc. etc, like red rag to a bull for a fighting man like Benn.
    McClellan got exactly what he desired, a war and Benn took his soul. If anyone is to blame for the final outcome, it's the **** poor ref and the utterly ridiculous life boat captain in McClellan's corner. All this **** about Benn being disqualified is just trolling as its the refs decision to make regarding any rule indiscretions. It is not down to Benn to change any in fight tactics just because things might be getting a little bit rough for his opponent. Due to the pre fight hoopla, it was never going to be a boxing match anyway. It was always going to be a street fight.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    The trainer was a joke.

    They just believed no one could take G Man's power and no one could survive a shootout with him.

    Benn proved them wrong on both counts and when it got into deep water Benn could keep the pace and G Man couldn't.

    Might watch this fight again tonight.