McDonnel Lost Due to Mindset

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by bowerboy, May 27, 2018.


  1. Izaak97

    Izaak97 Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah Dave Coldwell not liking Japanese food had a massive impact on how the fight went.. wtf

    McDonnell's been on the slide for a while now and was purely just way out of his depth against a top 10 p4p fighter.
     
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  2. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    24 hours is the normal stat thrown around and was part of the reason why same day weigh ins were I believe.

    Not a doctor or scientist though
     
  3. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Can we not just accept that McDonnell was out of his depth vs a fighter who is one of the best in the world?

    Inoue is probably going to do the same vs Burnett and Tete
     
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  4. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If this is true then McDonnell needs to sack his entire team. He is a professional athlete in a dangerous sport and his team should have prepared for every eventuality, even taking food with them!

    The whole thing is a joke and it put McDonnell in serious harms way.
     
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  5. Twentyman

    Twentyman Get to bed you sleep dossers. Full Member

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    When you become severely dehydrated, it not only reduces the protective layer of cerebrospinal fluid but it actually causes the brain to shrink. This is coming from studies, not from me. It’s actually quite risky hydrating fast (exactly like fighters do) as it can cause the brain cells to absorb too much fluid which brings a risk of ruptures. So obviously getting punched in the head after severe dehydration is very risky.

    I don’t know exactly how long it takes for the cerebrospinal fluid to replenish itself, however, subjective statements from fighters who do dehydrate hugely then hydrate quickly report that they feel the impact from the punches a lot more. There are also the other cognitive factors that are significantly affected with dehydration.

    Getting punched off an elite fighter like Inoue on the temple after hydrating 26ib is not going to end well. My opinion is that there are levels, and Inoue is a few notches up from McDonnell and he was always going to win...but wobbling off the first significant shot to the temple did not surprise me.
     
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  6. SnoopyboyM

    SnoopyboyM Active Member Full Member

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    EVen in the UK he would have lost Inoue is a special fighter however I do believe the other factors contributed to the early defeat he looked defeated before he got in the ring
     
  7. im sparticus

    im sparticus To The Upmost Full Member

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    Your making an assumption there mate.
    There has been many boxers that have been weight drained that have taken a shot around the temple and havnt gone down.
    Maybe i wasnt clear enough in my post.
    I could probably agree that mc was tight at the weight but i dont think be was any worse than than he has been for years. In fact it could be argued that maybe he made it easier this time than he did for kameda.
    He now uses top class sport scientists who track everytbing he does. He will of been on a proper programme since he got the fight. Them guys know everything there is to know about s&c and weight managment (or so were led to belueve).
    U mentioned that he stopped half way at dubai to help with the aclimatising process, so his team did all they possibly could to do tbe job right.
    I made a post in the other thread about inoue and mac and i was writing that befire i even saw this thread. That is my assumption of the situation.
    Im not trying to take anything away from mc but on the ringwalk he was looking nervous yes he is a warrior (usually) but he seemed nervy to me..
    This excuse of been weight drained, lee selby used it last week. its a go to excuse. I saw selby with my own eyes at the weigh in and i saw selby at the weigh in with brunkef some 4yrs earier and he looked far better last week believe me.
    If your going into a fight weight drained then you arnt doing the job right 20 im afraid to say.
    Btw when i was talking about mindset i wasnt necessarily siding with the OP.
    There is a lot morr to it than not been a lover of noodles lol
     
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  8. Twentyman

    Twentyman Get to bed you sleep dossers. Full Member

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    Fair do’s mate :)
     
  9. im sparticus

    im sparticus To The Upmost Full Member

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    I must say...i do think mc was weight drained but no more than usual.
     
  10. bbjc

    bbjc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that's where the nerves comes into it....because they know their weight drained going in.

    Its in the interest of their careers to remain at the weight there at. So they stick it out being well matched with guys they can just about afford to get away with it against. But it gets harder each time then suddenly their going in against a guy who is the real deal....whilst your going in at about fifty percent. Say what you want but for me anyway that draining is killing them. It comes out somehow weather its unable to hold a shot or you get tired quicker etc. The Japanese guy was just good enough to expose it. Solis kind of did in his own way as well. Same with Selby against Warrington last week. Was getting punched around by a guy that by all accounts a non puncher. Selby was pushing with his punches all night...trying to force them out. Hes a non puncher himself but hes not as bad as he was last week.

    Talking about guys going in nervous against opponents in fear of them losing fights. But you need to remember these guys have been fighting from kids. Sparring. Hostile amateur venues. Hostile professional venues. Fighting for world titles at or near the top level. Their not going in completely fearful of the opponent. The fear/nerves is coming from the weight drain more than the opponent. Is a case of "am I gonna be able to wing this one". The opponents played a part in that fear but I m betting the majority of the fears came from the draining. Knowing your probably not gonna be capable of putting up much of a fight with the drain cause this one is good.

    Its a big problem with the Brits for me. A lot of guys cut. But the Brits are refusing to go up mainly because a lot of the British style coaching is hit the man more than they hit you. If your bigger and stronger than him youll grind him down. We,re great with the cut but we stay too long at the division because a lot of our coachings relient a bit too much on being the bigger/stronger man. We get greedy at a certain weight class.
     
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  11. Twentyman

    Twentyman Get to bed you sleep dossers. Full Member

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    Very true about the Brits sticking at the weight way too long. Mad to think that only Ricky Burns, Duke McKenzie and some fella from 1902 or whatever are Britain’s only triple weight world champions. Even two-weight British world champions are thin on the ground...Frampton, Haye, Eubank, Benn, Weir, Hatton and the lads mentioned in above paragraph.

    Imo, Selby could have (might still do) won at two weights, Jamie McDonnell, Billy Joe Saunders, Brook, Ryan Burnett might manage it, Flanagan left it late as he was dead at the weight but could do it. I think Callum Smith has a chance, not sure about Groves now as 175 is a hard division. Degale is done.

    Foreign fights move up in weight much more regularly imo.
     
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  12. SambaKing1

    SambaKing1 Member booted Full Member

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    Penfold heard that eating mouse is a delicacy in Asian cuisine. Little Penfold was just worried about being captured and placed on a skewer.
     
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  13. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    About the ko:
    The camera work wasn't great and it was hard to see exactly where/how the punches landed. I watched an an alternative film taken from the audience and it clearly showed the right-left that "caused" the first knockdown actually MISSED. The right went past the back of Jamie's head and the famous "left to the body" that supposedly did all the damage went behind his upper right arm and upper back, again not landing at all......

    (So it looks like the initial long GGG-type left hook to the head that staggered Jamie initially did all the damage, but again I couldn't make out from the footage that even that shot landed correctly either).

    All in all it really looks to me like Jamie completely caved in "soft", and that can only mean Jamie can't have been right to begin with at all.
     
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  14. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    ROFL
     
  15. Twentyman

    Twentyman Get to bed you sleep dossers. Full Member

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    That’s how I saw it really, Len. He was done with the left hook, he never recovered from it.
     
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