McGovern vs Gans

Try looking only at Gans to see when he's trying to throw any punches with bad intention. One hook-uppercut and maybe 3-4 short punches to the body while in a clinch is all he throws the whole 3 minutes. Sure, McGovern is fighting awkwardly, but Gans, with his experience, should have known how to counter a swarmer. Gans shows no inclination whatever to do any damage, he's stalling all through.

 

He could've, would've and should've, but he didnt what do they say about a good defense is a good offense.

 

Well, for me that wasn't typical Gans, his two fights with Dal Hawkins earlier the same year were proof enough for me that Gans could fight back and fight hard when forced into slugfests.

 

I agree.

 

I've watched this bout a hundred times. My conclusion is McGovern overwhelmed Gans that night. The bout to me was totally legit. You don't fake a fight in this manner. Gans took many solid blows when he could have just taken one and be done with it.

 

i think compared to the other footage of gans he isn't punching hard.

but he could have been hurt.

 

Youd have to have your head up your ass to think this fight was legitimate. You would have to believe that a natural 120 lb (at best) fighter moved up and overwhelmed a larger all time great fighter who took punches from men who carried their power up to heavyweight. A guy who was a great boxer, puncher, defensive master, and durable as well. Gans fights horribly in that fight from the start and goes down more than once from punches that dont even land. Watch McGovern throw a punch that Gans has enough foresight to let curve around the back of his head but then collapses anyway. Its identical the fake knockdown Johnson playacted against Ketchel. Beyond that the stink of a fix was strong enough that it resulted in a ban on boxing for the next 25 years in Chicago. State legislatures dont go to that extreme for no reason at all. Go watch Gans-Nelson then watch this and tell me Gans didnt throw this fight. He takes bigger punches from a bigger fighter who was just as aggressive as McGovern and hit just as hard under much worse conditions and wins. He also didnt stand there flat footed like he did against McGovern and let him hit him and when he did get hit he fired back like a tiger completely unlike his performance against McGovern in which he was throwing softballs on the few occasions he actually threw. It looked like he was slap fighting in there. People WANT to believe this fight was legitimate because they want to root for the underdog and believe the literal little guy can move up and against all odds triumph over the bigger better fighter. Unfortunately to make this leap you literally have to take leave of your senses because you have to completely ignore what you see in the film, you have to completely ignore what you know about Gans and McGovern, and you have to completely ignore all of the evidence and rumors which completely jive with Gans ridiculous performance both as a boxer and an actor in that fight.

 

Youd have to have your head up your ass to think this fight was legitimate.
Yes, you'd have to have your head deep up your ass which would explain why you can't see the punches McGovern landed.

You would have to believe that a natural 120 lb (at best) fighter moved up and overwhelmed a larger all time great fighter who took punches from men who carried their power up to heavyweight.

Wasnt he 120+ for that fight, McGovern had tremendous power, but you should know that already, they were what 10pds apart? Apples and oranges, we are talking about this fight, ok. Here your akboys will say, he's always pulling that out of his hat. So you are saying a measly 22pdr cant hit hard enough to hurt a man 10pds heavier. Maybe you should bone up on your immense pile of articles and ck to see that yes it can happen and even with a larger weight discrepancy. But an esteemed personage as your yourself should know that, right?

A guy who was a great boxer, puncher, defensive master, and durable as well.
If you stop looking up articles to boost your position you would look at the visual evidence, and see for yourself Gans reaction to getting hit by that tiny SBW with those tiny gloves. Dont you have a super clear tape of the fight? And you still cant see it cos scribes who were just as incredulous as you seem to be that they couldnt believe their eyes and knew it had to be a fix. Easy right? I'd rather look at the visual evidence without being influenced by scribes telling me what to think.

Gans fights horribly in that fight from the start and goes down more than once from punches that dont even land. Watch McGovern throw a punch that Gans has enough foresight to let curve around the back of his head but then collapses anyway.

OMG you have to be kidding me, I guess you missed the punches landed before. You always come up with the same thing, "duh, punches missed went over his head" weak, expected better. I guess since you still (here it comes) DKSAB, you never heard of a "delayed action KD", a case in point, Marciano- Layne.

Its identical the fake knockdown Johnson playacted against Ketchel.
You still bringing that up, kinda weak response. Johnson the great actor, struggled a bit and pretended he was angry and ko'd Ketchel. Yep makes sense.

Beyond that the stink of a fix was strong enough that it resulted in a ban on boxing for the next 25 years in Chicago. State legislatures dont go to that extreme for no reason at all.

Why dont you go back and read your immense pile of articles, and see what the real reason was, the Gans fight was a part but there were other factors which doesnt fit your storyline, so you would rather not discuss them.

Go watch Gans-Nelson then watch this and tell me Gans didnt throw this fight.

O God, again we both should know that McGovern was a murderous puncher and Nelson was not. Besides they had two different strategies McGovern was a fast starter, and Nelson was not.

He takes bigger punches from a bigger fighter who was just as aggressive as McGovern and hit just as hard under much worse conditions and wins.

Nelson was a marathon puncher, I dont think I have seen Nelson described as a murderous puncher. McGovern has been described as such.

He also didnt stand there flat footed like he did against McGovern and let him hit him and when he did get hit he fired back like a tiger completely unlike his performance against McGovern in which he was throwing softballs on the few occasions he actually threw.

I guess you never seen a guy hurt in a fight. Also remember the glove size, cos who would be stupid enough to get slammed time and again by them rocks. But you'd rather believe the articles then your own eyes.

It looked like he was slap fighting in there.

Too,too funny and you had the gonads to write this.

People WANT to believe this fight was legitimate because they want to root for the underdog and believe the literal little guy can move up and against all odds triumph over the bigger better fighter.

No, my fine friend I believe my eyes.

Unfortunately to make this leap you literally have to take leave of your senses because you have to completely ignore what you see in the film,

Exactly you have to take leave of one of your senses, the visual one not to see McGovern landing some wicked shots.


you have to completely ignore what you know about Gans and McGovern,

No, why? Gans was still Gans and McGovern was as advertised before and after the fight. Gans I know you it grinds your nuts, got caught cold. It happens, Dempsey was a good example of a quick starter and there are many others that believed in getting a guy outa there before they cause trouble. What we know of McGovern he was a quick starter.

and you have to completely ignore all of the evidence and rumors which completely jive with Gans ridiculous performance both as a boxer and an actor in that fight.
You know or should know better but I guess you dont. Rumors are not facts, period. There is absolutely no definitive proof of a fix it's all hearsay.

 

Yes. Gans fights like hes a 90 year old man who just woke up from a 10 yr coma. If that was the real Gans he wouldnt be remembered today, much less called "the old master."

 

See how little you know sigh! So you are saying that Gans was dumb enough to get caught flush time and again from a murderous puncher just to make it look good. Yep it makes sense, but only to you and your akfanboys. I dont care if McGovern was 10pds lighter those punches from those little gloves had to hurt. Besides where is your definitive proof that Gans subjected himself to this? It's all hearsay, they didnt have proof at that time and you dont have proof now. Are we to believe a guy who doesnt know contracts and tries to tell everybody his less then knowledgable interpretation and state it as proof of something like the Chicago ban, be fair. We are big boys we can figure it out

 

Excluding the back story this fight has never looked right to me. A master boxer does not appear to be defending himself.