McVey and Mendoza going mental again

I think they thought the fight was a set-up.

 

Very possible. I have just read that this fight was the first time judges were used in a world's



heavyweight title fight

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Batling Jim was seen as a second teir fighter of the period, but he actualy emerges as something of a spoiler.

Aside from the Johnson fight, he neutralised Sam McVea holding him to a draw, beat Harry Wills, outpointed Joe Jeanette, and won a controvertial decision over Sam Langford.

 

Actually I was wrong about a referee and two judges, the referee did not have an input in the scoring, the judges names were(as good as I could make out from a poor copy) Frenltz, Brichell and Oudin.
As for the NY Times report, perhaps it was a foggy night.....

 

For the most part documentaries are a tad slanted on their subject material. I told you to read Unforgeable Blackness. From my memory they had information on both the Marvin Hart and Jim Battling Johnson fight.

In the Hart fight Johnson own corner senses he was in trouble and urged him to pick up the pace:deal

In the Jim Battling Johnson fight, one judge sided with the challenger, the other two could not make up their mind. Finally a draw was given. However news reports indicate Jim Battling Johnson was the better.

As for the scheduled rounds, once again the best researched record site says:


Dec 19 [url]"Battling" Jim Johnson[/url] Paris, Fr D 10

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This bout was scheduled for 20 rounds but terminated after 10 rounds due to arm injury to the Champion.

[url]http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jjohn.htm[/url] :good

 

[url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9806E1D6103FE633A25753C2A9649D946296D6CF[/url]

Sounds like the fight was less middling than Jack getting his butt kicked.

 

Janitor,

I think Jim Battling Johnson was nothing more than a good heavyweight. Indeed he lost to too many teir 2 and 3 talents.

One thing to focus on here is his age. Jim Battling made his debut in 1910. He was only 26 when he drew with Johnson.

Jim Battling beat Wills when Wills hurt his arm and quit in two rounds.

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LOL, careful now Seamus. The inconvenient truth on Jack Johnson here is seldom accepted, and in some quarters often ignored. I wonder what type of play an article like this would get at Box Rec or the Cyber Boxing Zone. Surely some jaws would drop.

Ironic. The first all black lineal heavyweight title fight was an apparent robbery.

 

Battling Jim had the following results.

Drew with Langford x3
Drew with McVey
Drew with Jeanette x3
Drew with Jeff Clark
Drew with Jack Johnson

Beat Jeanette dec 10rds
Beat Tony Ross dec 6 rds
Beat Tom Cowler dec 15 rds
Kod Jeff Clark 8 rds
Kod Arthur Pelkey7 rds .This was a year after Pelkey lost his White Heavyweight title to Gun Boat Smith
Kod Black Bill 2 rds
Kod Bill Tate 2 rds
Decent results for a second tier heavy, imo.

 

Battling Jim was 26 , he had 40 fights under his belt including meeting.
Jeff Clark
Al Kubiak
Tony Ross
Sam Langford
Joe Jeanette x4
Jewey Smith
Sam McVey x2
Black Bill
Tom Cowler

Battling Jim had fought 7 times all ready that year winning 5 ,by ko and losing 2 one a dsq and one a points dec both to Joe Jeanette.

Jack Johnson was 35, and had not fought in 18 months.

Compare Battling Jim with Wlad Klitschko's next opponent .
Derek Chisora ,also 26 .14 fights against no one.His best win is over a 37 year old Danny Williams who scaled 273lbs for that fight.

 

Didn't McVey, Langford, and Jeanette defeat Battling Johnson? Jack Johnson did not! Do you think Battling Jim should have been declared the winner of Jack Johnson, or are you trying to build him to make Johnson look better?

Great champions seek out re-matches for dubious results. Johnson never did this with O'brien or Battling Johnson.

 

I'm out of here.

 

Jack Johnson did not defeat Battling Jim ,but he was 35 and carrying a broken bone in his arm .
I have no idea if either Johnson deserved the verdict,because I have not seen the fight

.Battling Jim also drew with Mcvey
Langford
Jeanette.
NONE of whom had a broken arm at the time.

The Johnson v Johnson fight was scheduled for 10 rds everyone knows it ,even you ,. but if you want to keep parroting it was a 20rds fight, feel free to make a c**t of yourself you have a decided knack for it.

Do you thinik there was the slightest demand for rematches for O Brien or Batttling Jim,after those two fights?:huh:nono

That would be inflicting as much punishment on the public as the Klits defences.

Now ,I think I will move on, as Matt has done.

I've spent more than enough time ,conversing with a fool.

 

In the early days where two judges and a referee were used the ref was used as a tie breaker. Meaning that he only got a vote if the two judges disagree.

 

Old Jack Johnson didn't quit did he? He struggled through 10 rds.
Unlike Wills, and your boy friend Vitali.