How so? We are watching Pacquiao in those videos punching the crap on a stationary target. When he shows us the Marquez clips, even when Pacquiao is able to land on Marquez, we're made to see why the followup is'nt coming vs Marquez, and its because of the constant movement and the way Marquez changes up and does'nt just fight one particular way. The guy was right on when he said something to the effect, "Marquez changes it up against Pacquiao and attacks him every once in a while just to give him a different look and keep him on his toes." It it were'nt for these attack sequences by Marquez, Pacquiao would be less leary to attack with leverage. .....but because Marquez picks and choses when to attack, it keeps Pacquiao honest on defense. Watching these clips you can see clear as day why Pacquiao has much more to worry about against the multifaceted Marquez than he did with the other fighters that were shown on the videos.
Thats not true Tasco...... The guy clearly stated that Pacquiao's recent opposition is'nt at the caliber of Marquez. In fact he stated he wanted to see the degree of Pacquiao's improvements against fighters that can box and are not stationary targets. He named Marquez and Mayweather as the fighters he wants to see Pac's improvements against so that he can gauge just how improved he is. True though, even though he agreed Pacquiao's improved, he did'nt sound all convinced as I'm not, that the improvements are drastic. The videos clearly are showing why Pacquiao did'nt have the sucess vs Marquez that he's had recently. .....but we're in agreement Tasco, not many fighters can move and counter like Marquez. It takes a special fighter to beat a special fighter.
These *******s don't understand what you are saying bc they have never been in the ring before. :deal
yeah I agree about the marquez fight . He's got the right style , and its obvious if you give movement and use the angles it'll make it harder on pacquiao. but he doesn't get that fighting at superfeatherweight is a lot different then welterweight. He criticizes cotto and others for being flat footed, but #1 that's their style, and #2 , fighters at welter are generally not as fast or fleet footed as the guys in the lower weight classes. It's a big difference. So I agree about Marquez, but as far as pacquiao's improvements, he's totally off their imo an not giving enough credit for credit is due.
The current crop of welters are not so great with movement. Pac's somewhat fortunate in a way because of that. I can name a few welters from the past that had exellent movement with their feet. Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Whitaker, Buddy McGirt..... Meldrick Taylor was good at circling from ring center. ......there are a few other lesser fighters that could fight with movement. Fighters like Wilfredo Rivera and Diobylis Hurtado. Some of the welters Pac has beaten are good solid welters.....but lets be honest, none were in there prime and all of them had more or less the same type of style, left hookers that come foward. Now dont get me wrong, because I'm one of the few Pac detractors that did'nt **** on his welter resume and was impressed with the way he dominated these less skilled but still solid strong welters.
Boxers don't need to jump all over the ring. Cotto uses positioning and timing, he's never been a mover, many fighters accomplish all they need this way. Boxing is more about strategy than movement. Margarito is a pressure fighter, he was constantly trying to corner Pacquiao and unleashed combinations. I'd say he was very busy and competitive, but Manny still outboxed him. In recent fights Pacquiao has shown a great deal of class to virtually annihilate his opponents. He's moved on from the bullish, filipino streetfighter days. Pacquiao relies more an agility and speed, doesn't mean he's naive tactically. He's showed a decent boxing brain in his last few fights. I'm not sure of Marquez's movement will trouble Pacquiao these days. Its probable that Pacquiao is too large now and its a size miss-match. In terms of ability Pacquiao has developed, he still knocked Marquez down 4 times in the previous fights. Surely, a future match up will be even more one sided.
Then you did'nt watch the videos posted by the thread starter. Look at Pacquiao's foot and head movements from the Marquez rematch to his fights with DLH, Cotto, Clottey. He's still throwing the same exact combinations. ......and its right there on video as the analyst describes why Marquez was'nt getting hit with the brunt of Pacquiao's power and the others were. You're simply chosing to just ignore the facts and video sequences of those videos. Give youself and education and watch them. ......and btw, I agree with you, most fighters cant fight with that constant movement and combination punching. Certainly not the current crop of welters.......and 3 years ago if you'd ask me if Pacquiao could beat Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, etc.......I'd have said, no way. ......but if you'd ask me Pacquiao was going to be on a highly induced PED regimen, the best in the PED business, guess what? I'd have said, absolutely he can physically blast some of these bigger stationary welters. When a fighter fights stationary as the video sequences showed every Pac opponent doing, not that tboxing becomes irrelevant, but it becomes less about boxing and more to do with the physical part of the sport. PED's enhance you physically!:deal
Oh whatever *****. Still mad Bhop schooled your boyfriend Pascal :hey Pac was never 1 dimensional he just waited for the right time to unleash it on his opponents.
shut up *******. Floyd would take SRR to school. 41 have tried, 41 have failed. Pac wouldn't land a single punch on Floyd, Mosley exposed Pac.
I dont know about that as for the thread I think the same happened with Floyd at lower weights Floyd's opponents could handle the speed or at least handle it better than these 147 guys Floyd is just that much faster atleast pre retirement Floyd Manny struggled at 130 down because he fought technical and quick fighters at 147 he fights slower guys who arent technical guys but more of brawlers who cant cope with the speed Manny obviously has gotten better but he has yet to face a guy whose style fits well unfortunately most guys under 140 are to small and most over 147 are too slow JMM and Floyd are the 2 leading guys that fit the bill JMM is kinda old and will be moving up Floyd who knows if it will ever happen What we can say is Manny is starting slow
You mean there was another thread on it? Lead me to that thread, I sure as hell was'nt involved in the debate in it. I want to see how you dissected the analyst in the video pieces.:rofl
Ive also said this for ages. Even with mayweather when he was fighting guys like castillo at LW they were used to speedy figthers as lighter fighters are generally faster. When you carry your speed against 147 fighters it gives you an advantage. Its not so much the punch speed but more generally the quickness of a lighter fighter. My concern however with marquez is that in their second fight he was pretty much prime and also a stylistic nightmare for pacquiao. He hasnt exactly got better over the years but i also believe pacquiao isnt the same fighter physically he was in the 2nd JMM fight. Should be interesting if the two factors balance themselves out come fight time.
