Media Spotlight: Sherdog's Zuffa Centric Bias Exposed

Apart from CC who was coming off the OWGP who else had this legitimacy?

 

Rampage, Shogun, Hendo, maybe Wand (people still believed). Keep in mind CroCop and Rampage both left on their own before Pride folded.

 

Big Nog came into the UFC the consensus #2 Heavy having just avenged his loss to Barnett.

 

Now consider the fact that the GP format doesn’t give you the normal prep time of most fights nowdays. Also consider that the quality of Barnetts opponents were far more experienced and far better than the guys that CroCop had to go though. CroCop had a far cruiser ride to the finals than Barnett.

Also notice that CroCop’s win loss record really tumbled. The guy has been fighting for a very long time, far longer than he ought to. Having a win against him nowdays shouldn’t discredit his past performance BUT is certainly not the same CroCop as when he was at his prime.

 

I'm sorry this never happened, Nog and Crocop signed up but equally Sylvia and AA left. Fedor, Barnett, Aleks, Sergei, Overeem and now Werdum all ended up fighting elsewhere.

As far as Nog and Crocop go I don't think its revisionists history to say they've declined anymore than it is to claim 80's Ali had declined. Now granted I don't think Crocop was far off of his best physial when he entered the UFC but his lack of training for the new enviroment and then suffering a devistaing KO clearly did have a big effect, the Crocop who fought Mir looked nothing like the Mirko of 5 years ago.

The same is even more true of Nog, go back and watch say Nog vs Sergei in 2004 and tell me he was still at that level vs Mir. Granted he was still ranked #2 but he'd looked like a slow easy target vs Sylvia aswell and hadnt fought in almost a year.

In reality whats happened is that NOBODY has taken over from Pride's HW division so far offering the same kind of continuity and consistantly in matchups they did. Whats happened in the UFC is that they've taken highly questionable rankings(in terms of the level of the fighters when they lost) of Randy and Nog and run with them to the moon. Nog and Mir have been the ticket thats built up Lesnar, Carwin and Cain, thats hardly what I'd call a large established field, more like a carefully managed hype job. Crocop espeically is a real giveaway to this tactic, he gets his ass kicked by Overeem in Dream and then the UFC sign him up again, why? obviously because they know he's a name that can be used to hype their new talent.

Not to say there arent good fighters in the UFC of course just that the rankings earlier this year that had Lesnar, Cain, Carwin and JDS all top 5 were not the defintive statement on quality many(including Sherdog) tried to paint them as. Its ironic aswell that give that all the UFC hype is based on "he beat a highly ranked fighter so he's got that spot now" they've not done so with Werdum.

 

the sherdog rankings are deep fried dog**** with a tall glass of warm **** to wash it down, to put it nicely.

theses rankings are laughable. They have been at sherdog for awhile, whatever their reasons for making them that way may be.

1- Cain Velasquez
2- Brock Lesnar
3- Fabricio Werdum
4- Fedor Emelianenko
5- Junior Dos Santos
6- Shane Carwin
7- Frank Mir
8- Alistair Overeem
9- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10- Antonio Silva



lesnar over werdum makes no sense

lesnar over fedor makes no sense.

lesnar at #2 heavy after getting a beatdown by carwin then getting completely brutalized and finished by cain?

how about mir carwin and lesnar over overeem?


this is the cue to whoever out there still taking sherdogs rankings seriously to stop. Stop now please!

In sherdogs defense though, their really are no good rankings for the current heavyweight division. most fighters are still relitively unproven at that weight cain, jds and even overeem. while still others need to compete to prove they are still top fighters by taking on good competition barnett, sergei, a. emelianenko.

fedor, with a good win namely a win over werdum can be on top once more IMHO.

guess what everyone, the people running the zuffa hype machine are doing excellent work, the only cure for the hype, is to inform yourselves then you will be immune to the bull****.

I think it will at least be a year before the situation becomes clear enough to sort out the rankings.

 

I think we all know nobody outside of the UFC will ever be ranked #1 again by Sherdog. As soon as they managed to get a UFC fighter at the top then the rules suddenly shift to UFC champ = #1.

Its not just the situations like Lesnar and BJ being ranked way too high that this reflects badly on though. Lower down in the rankings theres always going to be more subjectivity, with Sherdogs credibility down the toilet every subjective decision thats favoured a UFC fighter(and most of them have) seems like obvious bias.

Mir being ranked above Overeem for example, I can see the arguement for this being the case given that he's had a higher ranking win over Nog dispiote losing twice recently BUT I don't trust Sherdog to have made that call without pro UFC bias.

 

This is probably the last time I'll keep responding to the same post over and over but you just admited that the best heavyweights with the exception of Fedor went into the UFC - and all the losers went elsewhere. Pretty cut and dry. Sylvia, AA, Werdum, Barnett, Aleks and Sergei were all on the short end of their top tier encounters. Overeem was primarily a LHW in Pride anyway.

I know this is all opinion and very subjective to each of us but I would have to say bull**** on this. Since the merger the UFC heavyweight division has been on fire and all of the matches have for the most part been nothing short of titanic - especially in the title fights.

 

No I admitted that two of the best HW fighters went to the UFC while two of their own biggest names left. That hasnt done anything close to achieving the same kind of HW division that Pride possesed at its peak, not as much depth, not as much continuity and not as many matchs happening.

I think its also pretty dam clear that both Nog and Crocop have declined, seriously take my advice and go back and watch Nog/Sergei or Crocop/Aleks and tell me their the same fighters we saw face Mir. Nogs beatings have clearly caught up with him, he's sluggish and can no longer see a punch coming, Crocop's mentally shot and has had years of leg injuries clearly effect his mobility. There still decent wins of course but not at the level when they achieved their sucess in Pride anymore.

This idea that both are as good today as they ever were is nothing but promoter BS hype, nobody declines, everyone is exposed by the shiney new fighters your going to buy on PPV next. I guess you think Roy Jones is as good as his 90's hayday right now aswell?

This isnt the anti UFC crap some post here its the truth, at LHW the UFC have indeed built up a 205 division to compair to or even surpass Pride's but for a number of reasons its not happened at HW and they've resorted to dishoniest hype to cover it. Thats not to say the UFC HW division doesnt have alot of quality involved, it clearly does not its not nore ever has been in the position to claim that it represents the best of the sport and that the guy ontop is clearly #1.

 

You just admitted that those best UFC HW champions couldnt hack it and lost to Fedor when they did fight (Tim and AA) whilst those that already lost to Fedor ran away to the comforts of Zuffa (Nog and CroCop). You also admitted that the other best HW fighters that Fedor hasnt fought yet are all outside the UFC (Barnett).

The Lesnar v Cain fight was titanic in terms of viewership but was abysmal in terms of skills and MMA. Both didnt have a ground game while one didnt have cardio, standup and spirit. The one previous was even worse with both not having a ground game, one no standup and the other absolutely no cardio.

It was a garbage card watched by people who doesnt know quality fights inside and outside MMA. It only succeeded because of UFC hype and nothing else.

 

The reality was...

Lesnar/Carwin - Poor performance by Brock saved by poor cardio and a lack of finishing ability by Carwin.

Lesnar/Cain - Poor performance by Brock exploited by a great performance from Cain.

The idea that Carwin/Lesnar represented the best of the HW division was a ****ing joke, yeah it was pretty exciting but so was Frye/Takiyama, doesnt mean its high quality action.

 

deal

 

It is a simple equation. Take the names you mentioned such as Barnett, Werdum, Aleks, Kharitonov and look at their records. They have lost RECENTLY within the past few years to the fighters that wound up in the
UFC from Pride (with most of those fighters losing to Crocop or Nogeuira) or otherwise and in one form or another they were all defeated by the new crop of UFC heavyweights. You can spin it however you like with your post-Pride/Strikeforce bias but that won't change the facts or the records. There is a clear pyramid of victories to determine the number one heavyweight in the world and that man is Cain Velazquez.

 

deal:deal

 

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