Medical reason why you shouldn't fight with a closed eye?

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  1. Black_Rainbows

    Black_Rainbows Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Medical reason why you shouldn't fight with a closed eye?

    Is there proof that you are at high risk of permanent injury?

    Boxing commentators/pundits obviously aren't medical experts, and their opinions may not be backed up with any evidence.

    I don't buy the line that "they can't see the punches coming". Guillermo Jones was taking as many/or more hard clean shots with two eyes as Lebedev was with one eye closed. If you are still in the fight with a closed eye then you are still in the fight. I'm of course not saying that you aren't at any disadvantage with a closed eye but hey look it's a brutal sport and both guys were getting hit plenty. That's boxing. Maybe you could argue that there is a higher risk that you will get knocked out by a punch that you didn't see coming, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to stop a fight.

    Maybe there is a good medical reason to stop fights in that situation, but I'm just saying that it needs to be proved on medical evidence, not the worries of pundits. If they risk permanent damage to the eye, then fights like that should be stopped. But if not...
     
  2. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Are you being serious?
     
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  3. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    so i come on here today to read this ****
     
  4. Black_Rainbows

    Black_Rainbows Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What, that we should expect evidence for things? Not mere opinion?

    Would you seriously deny that principle?
     
  5. Black_Rainbows

    Black_Rainbows Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What, that we should expect evidence for things? Not mere opinion?

    Would you seriously deny that principle?
     
  6. ChipChair

    ChipChair Boxing Addict Full Member

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  7. Of course you can't see the punches coming from one side so hooks to the bad side are going to quickly worsen the Injury

    As for long term injury are you naive or just want confirmation as the list of boxers who have suffered orbital damage in a fight is lengthy,can you imagine the pain that lebedev will be in for weeks.in the outside world an injury is protected from any further worsening but in a boxing ring the said injury is quite legally targeted

    As lebedevs injury was caused in the first round he took heavy punishment on the area for 11 rounds
    I wouldn't be surprised if he suffered long term injuries which will mean him failing any medical tests to continue boxing or if allowed to continue could be a shadow of himself

    So the question is could his eye have suffered irreparable damage last night then probably
    And the reality is that would never of happened in a British ring

    And I'm not faint hearted or scared of battle,the gladiator style war is one of the reasons boxing appeals to me
     
  8. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    You ask for evidence and then deny the one real reason why fighting with one eye is dangerous....."I don't buy the line that "they can't see the punches coming"." This comment basically makes you clueless
     
  9. Bill C84

    Bill C84 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think it stands to reason that if your eye's are closed, you wont be able to see punches coming.
     
  10. Rumpole

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    A person has 2 eyes and 2 ears. The biological reason for this is to enable a person, or animal to accurately judge both distance and direction. If you only have the use of one ear, you will still hear a sound but be unable to judge, with any degree of accuracy, from which direction the sound is coming.
    The same is true of eyes. A person can certainly see with one eye but there are several handicaps.
    Firstly if the right eye is closed a person has very restricted view to their left. In short, a person's nose blocks their view and you have absolutely no left hand side peripheral vision therefore you cannot see a right cross aimed at the left hand side of your face.
    With only one eye operational it is impossible to judge distance as binocular vision is needed to judge the distance between an object and a persons body. The risk becomes even greater when an object, such as a fast moving fist, is coming towards you
    The dangers are enormous and cannot be overstated.
    Under no circumstances should a boxer with the use of only one eye be allowed to continue to fight unless, in the opinion of the ref. their opponent has ceased to be of any danger and the injured boxer is well in control, but even then it is still a risk.
     
  11. Black_Rainbows

    Black_Rainbows Well-Known Member Full Member

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    OK, but you need to compare the difference when fights have/have not been stopped because of a closed up eye.

    Do most cases of "orbital damage" have anything to do with a closed eye? Do most times a fighter gets a closed eye mean that that fighter has "orbital damage" rather than just temporary bruising?

    By itself, that a long list of boxers have suffered a certain injury doesn't tell you that much.
     
  12. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    TS is a tosser who's never boxed.
     
  13. Rumpole

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    Read my post above. It is not about damage to the eye alone, orbital damage can be caused by one punch long before an eye becomes closed. Continuing to fight with only one eye functioning can result in serious injury to more than just an eye.
     
  14. ClintMagnum

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    On most occasions an injury from a cut/swelling stops a fight not due to the severity of the injury per se but due to the fact that a boxer is not in a position to continue as he must have clear vision in both eyes.
    Yes Jones was taking more shots but that was down to his ability/decisions in the fight. The difference with Lebedev was that his vision had been seriously impaired by the injury to his eye. The rules state that the ref should stop the fight if the fighter's injury impairs the boxer's vision sufficiently that he cannot see punches and/or there is an increased risk in permanent injury if the fighter continues. The score at the time of the fight (although frustrating to fans/fighters) must, by the rules, have absolutely NO bearing on the Refs decision to stop the fight. This is also evidenced in other high profile fights such a the Taylor loss in th dying seconds of the last round. The health and safety of the boxer has to take priority over the win/result. That is the Refs primary decision.
    In this instance it does seem quite amazing that the ref and the ringside doc didn't stop it earlier. In many instances it disappoints fighters and fans but the sport is geared to safety first for a reason.
     
  15. Black_Rainbows

    Black_Rainbows Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How?

    "I'm of course not saying that you aren't at any disadvantage with a closed eye but hey look it's a brutal sport and both guys were getting hit plenty."

    I'm saying that you can still be in the fight with a closed eye, and getting hit no more than the other guy. So you don't have a justification imo to stop a fight merely because a disadvantage exists. I'm not saying there is no truth to the claim that you can't see punches coming. I'm saying that it doesn't look like a good justification to stop a fight when they still may be taking less than the other guy. They need protecting when the other guy could be taking as much--or more--punishment?