Meldonium traces found in small amounts before 1 october 2016 are legal

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  1. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    And that proves he took it this year? The scientific evidence is not clear, hence the WADA ruling, why do you appear to be so 100% certain in your stance? PED scientists and experts aren't certain and say the data on the drug is ambigous and further testing is required, yet armchair expert MVC is 100% sure as he uses "common sense" to judge from the comfort of his home. Despite being completely clueless on the topic :rofl:rofl
     
  2. MVC!

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    I know everything there is to know about Meldonium and PEDS, for your information.

    I certainly am more versed about this topic than you are!!!

    The shady April testings is damning and tells us all we need to know.
     
  3. BCS8

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    :think Sounds like somebody is stressing over the outcome of a Povetkin / Wilder fight. You should be!
     
  4. MVC!

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    ? you guys are the ones making countless damage controlling threads. :rofl

    We had a bunch of you going

    "Mark my words, he will fight Povetkin next"









    NOPE

    :deal
     
  5. Robney

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    I would be very surprised if he gets away with it.
    So he should be banned for what WADA now sees as residual trace amounts that even athletes that are caught on that until october 1st shouldn't even be banned for?! :blood
    Why is the test "shady" by the way? Don't you trust VADA?

    Of course he used Meldonium for a long time and that was morally wrong, but not cheating. You can't give a guy a speeding ticket for driving 70 on a road that has a 50mph limit since a couple of months, before the new speed limit was installed.
    That much is clear.
     
  6. MVC!

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    1. There is nothing legally wrong with what Wilder said, he won't get in any sort of trouble.

    2. What's damning are the test results (Multiple test results), the disparity from 1/2/3 with 4.

    The ban date was January 1st, and we have strong evidence that he used AFTER the ban date. That's the reason why Povetkin is under fire atm.

    Obviously NOT, because Povetkin broke the rules.
     
  7. MVC!

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    PEDVETKIN'S PEDS :nod
     
  8. madballster

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    The question is not if you're more versed than I am, Mr. Armchair general. The question is if you're more versed than the experts at WADA who tell us loud and clear the exact behavior of degradation of Meldonium in a subjects body over time is still not exactly understood and more scientific work is needed. Yet *YOU* - the all knowing MVC - barge in and claim you know all the facts. Before paid scientists know them.

    You exhibit very poor judgment and clearly lack scientific rigor.
     
  9. Robney

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    Accusing a public persona in public of something that isn't proven to be true will get you into legal trouble. Ask Floyd... Damn ask almost everyone that accused Lance, while he was clearly cheating.
    You'd think, but WADA wasn't sure of anything themselves, and now have a very wide deadline with a much higher (still very low amount) ceiling.
    You and I can't know if traces that low can come up or missed by some tests. What if the tests were done by different personell or even different labs or on different equipment? We don't know!
    They found a trace and it was clear from the day it was announced that it was way within the legal limit WADA was using at the time.
    It just had to be announced though, and then the s__t hit the fan.
    That's not strong evidence, see above.
    If WADA says that it would be impossible to just pop up, and all test were done the exact same way, then there's strong evidence. Not until then.
    That's not in any way certain at all.
     
  10. Mexi-Box

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    I told everyone he was clean. So this is what needs to happen. Each member of the demographic needs to make their own apology thread. Needs to happen right now. Their agenda failed them. Wilder is in big trouble. Dude is fixing to take a nice nap in Russia now. On top of that, Wilder and Fat Dan are going to have to pay a lot of money after slandering a clean fighter. Absolutely shameful, despicable. Wilder and the demographics' cowardice knows no bounds.
     
  11. MVC!

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    We've plenty of evidence of his wrong doings, and there's way more than enough evidence to actually convict him. So you're completely wrong and you will continue to be.

    There's a reason why the bout was cancelled.

    This court case will go NOWHERE. :smooch
     
  12. MVC!

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    1. He stated it because he was already aware of all the facts, he was simply stating a fact. Nothing about what he said was false or fabricated in any way. No issue at all. It's like saying Lance used drugs. It's a fact.

    2. There was only that TRACE because his team did not flush it out properly. Why do you think it did not come up in the first 3 tests?

    Were it not you guys who stated that VADA's testing is the most accurate/completely/thorough?

    I'm of the strong suspicion not only did he use post Jan1, he used in the middle of April before the 4th test. That's what most feel.

    Like I said before. It has NOTHING to do with the legal/illegal amount. The fact that he used POST the ban date is the real issue.

    It is certain.
     
  13. BCS8

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    Glad you aren't my lawyer. :yep
     
  14. MVC!

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    You couldn't afford me if I was one. :yep
     
  15. Mexi-Box

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    Dude, Wilder is going to lose this court case and pay a fortune. Bum Squad about to go broke. Fat Dan is going to lose his buffet passes. It's over for the demographic. It's done.