Meldrick taylor vs julio cesar chavez

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  1. RingKing

    RingKing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bull****. So does your logic carry to all sports or just boxing? If it does, then should a ref not call a foul in the NBA because there is .5 secs left in a game and one team is about to lose? Should a umpire not call a strike because a team is on the verge of losing? It's absurd to think that the rules only apply when you want them to or your favorite fighter is winning/losing a fight.

    So on one hand you want to screw Chavez by not following the rules. On the other hand you want to hand Taylor the victory by not following the rules. Not a very good position to be in, but in my opionion there was one winner that night and his name is Chavez.

    Taylor screwed up by not answering Steele's question. Duva screwed up by going up on the apron and distracting Taylor. Duva and the other cornerman screwed up by telling Taylor he needed the final round. Period.

    It sucks that it happened that way, but it is what it is. The only thing that should have happened was an immediate rematch. Chavez said he was willing to; however, Taylor decided to move up in weight. The rest is history.
     
  2. Raider Rudy

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    Meldrick Taylor was a great fighter & had a ton of heart! I have a ton of respect for him & he fought a great fight but Steele made the right call:bbb
     
  3. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Did Meldrick Taylor get the short end of the stick? Yes he did.
    Did Richard Stelle make the wrong call? That is not so simple to answer.
    First of all I have to ask myself what I would do If it was me as the refree?
    It is misleading to say that there was :2 left in the fight. There was no way for stelle to know howmuch time is left in the fight. The flashing red light in the corner only tells him there is :10 or less.
    Was Taylor hurt? Yes he was. While he was out performing Chavez he was still taking punches.
    Would he have lasted the :2 that was left in the fight? Very likely. I don't think Chavez would have gotten to Taylor before the bell rang.
    Would he have lasted :10? While I think he would last for :10. I can't be sure that he would.
    I beleve that Richard Stelle's decision would not have been wrong regaurdless of what he decided.
     
  4. stuistylee

    stuistylee j.c.chavez superstar Full Member

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    good post mate...sums it up...:bbb
     
  5. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Chavez took care of business in the rematch!
     
  6. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the rematch is irrelevant to this discussion.
     
  7. sitiyzal

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    There was no guarantee Mosley would get the decision, which is beside the point anyhow.
     
  8. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    all three judges had mosley winning the fight. in this case all three judges had taylor winning the fight.
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    One of the judges actually had Chavez winning. But after a 10-8 round in the 12th, Taylor still would've won a SD.

    The referee doesn't know the cards anyway. I think they stopped having referees score fights so they could focus more on being a ref, not a judge.
     
  10. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Amen to that.

    Those who say Taylor "earned" something here suggest a sentimental setting aside the rules of a sport, because it is hard to watch Taylor not being rewarded for a great effort. But sometimes we need to step back and use reason. Chavez landed far fewer but far more effective punches throughout the fight. Taylor didn't do any damage to Chavez with his combinations, while Chavez' single shots broke Taylor apart. The stoppage of a fighter who doesn't respond and doesn't remember afterwards that the ref asked him if he was OK is legit and would have been fine in any other round. Chavez was as KTFO as Hearns was against Leonard, still upright but gone.
     
  11. vanargian_guard

    vanargian_guard Mini-Mandingo Full Member

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    I'm a huge Chavez fan, and I think the retelling of this story has altered the true tale of the fight. Legendary Nights was biased as hell, and made it seem like Chavez lost every round and blocked punches with his face all night. Chavez did well, and won some rounds, many others were close. Taylor was winning, but not by a whole lot. I think the judge's scorecards reflected what actually happened in the fight (Taylor Split Decision). It was not all that one sided, Chavez must have had his moments to have busted Taylor up like he did.

    That being said, it was a BS stoppage. Taylor got up at the count of 6. There's 2 seconds left in the fight. Chavez wouldn't have had time to land another punch on Taylor. If the fighter beats the count, the referee should only be allowed to stop the fight to protect the fighter. What was Steele trying to protect Taylor from, victory? That was a stolen, hard fought win.
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    The show also caused viewers to think that Taylor was the next Sugar Ray Leonard who was suddenly a brain-damaged scrub by March 18, 1990, and never did anything good after this loss.

    But it did point out that Chavez was subtly doing damage, despite losing the rounds.
     
  13. vanargian_guard

    vanargian_guard Mini-Mandingo Full Member

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    Yeah, but I also think Chavez was actually winning rounds. He could box in his day, and managed to deal with the speed as best he could. Meldrick Taylor wasn't always flurrying, as they showed in the highlights, and had his off rounds. His deterioration after the fight however is undeniable. It's a sad story.
     
  14. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Taylor was damaged goods than.
     
  15. horst

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    Yes. The referee is not allowed to give a **** about who wins the fight or what's fair or how long there is left to go, he is not permitted to let such factors influence him, his only concern is the fighter's health and safety. Chavez may not have had time to get another punch in at him, but the referee cannot make that decision and take that gamble, if Taylor is not fit to continue at that exact moment when the referee is questioning him, then it's over, absolutely the correct decision, really the only decision.