Message to GYM, H. Grant, GYM boxers and Librado Andrade about disloyal competition

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :huh

    Does everyone who wants to train with Grant and who wants the full support of GYM get it, in preparation for their fights? :huh :huh :huh

    If Miranda went to GYM and asked Grant to train him to beat his future opponents, would Grant and GYM take him in with open arms?

    I am not being mean here, but you are being very naive...
     
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  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well, of course...because if he wouldn't want Pascal or Alcine to spar Bika or Andrade, it wouldn't happen and if he wouldn't want the Grants to train Bute's opponents, again, it wouldn't happen, whatever Pascal's, Alcine's or the Grants' wishes on the matter were or might be.
     
    Decebal, Mar 24, 2008
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  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But that's how pro boxing works! Especially if two promotions are fighting for the media and audience support. Let GYM destroy their own reputation if that's what they want... But I don't think Andade did anything wrong from his point of view...

    Decebal, you are an intelligent fight fan who knows a lot about pro boxing, so all I can say to you is quit making too much about this sh*t, your man gonna win anyway and GYM will shut their mouth if the fighter who trained in their gym got his a** kicked! It's even worse for them! Go Bute! :)

    Worse things are standards in boxing. Like when promoters making advantage by 'helping' the organizations to decide the judges and the referee... ring size in favor of own fighter, fight and weigh-in start time, gloves, accomodation for the opponent, flight etc... you can always make the other fighter a little discomfort... while it's not the most honest thing, that's the way it is...
     
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  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    As I said: I never wish any boxer bad-luck; I wish everyone was at least as popular as Bute, who is truly blessed to have so many great fans in Montreal and the rest of the world...

    I also wish Andrade the best of luck, even against Bute. He's worked hard and he's a good and likeable man, Andrade. Wish there were more like him in boxing.:good
     
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  5. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed...Andrade's taken so many punches to the head I doubt he even remembers what Alphabet Soup title he's fighting for.

    It's possible he just forgot what he said a while back.

    He DID give a shout out to Canada though after wowing us with his backflip.
     
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  6. Adaptation

    Adaptation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bute will still kick his ass(unless he dosen't improve his defense if i you remember the joppy fight).

    As for Gym vs Interbox, it might be considered cheap, but lets face it: Andrade wants to go to the top, and he made it to the no.1 contender, fair and square.
     
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  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The reason I started this thread is not because I think this kind of stuff doesn't go on, or that it shouldn't go on...as you say, it's business and it's happened before - and I didn't make a fuss about it...

    The reason I started this thread is because I am an Andrade fan. The main reason I like him, is that he such a great guy - the kind of guy that boxing needs more of. Thus, I was disappointed by his lack of honesty and the fact that he would "make a pact with the devil" to help him cross the bridge. As a pro boxer, I didn't expect him to act in any way differently from the way he did - would have done so myself, possibly. But as a guy who wants to be loved and respected more than anyone else BECAUSE he is such an honest, good guy, he is letting himself down a bit, and he's letting me, as a fan of his, down as well...I just wanted to make that clear.:good

    I was more of a supporter of Librado before I saw these videos and thought more about the situation than I am now; I thought he was as good as one could possibly be, but now I see cracks that shouldn't be there...so I am disappointed. Of course, I still want him to do well, and wish him all the best, even against Bute, because on the whole, he is still a great guy; just not as nice and good as I thought, however...:conf
     
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  8. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everything will get sorted out anyways...Bute will take care of business and if I were GYM, I'd make sure my fighters spend more time focusing on improving than trying to impress in the press !!

    It was sort of a little slap in the face..the fact that Miranda is now off Pascal's radar because a fight between the two ain't marketable anymore, at least for now!!
     
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  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ...and the best of luck to him! I am glad it was him that won it, and I am glad Siteglitz put up a good fight, because it means Andrade is good, and because Bute will face a good, live, dangerman this year in Andrade - which is what I want for him as fan, and which is what I want from boxing - good, credible, tough fights.
     
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  10. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Isn't it possible he just forgot what he said?

    I got your point and all that here Dec, I'm just wondering if maybe Librado didn't remember saying that. None the less, Him vs Bute should be ridiculously fun.
     
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  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The reason why I feel the way I do is because if Andrade wins, I want to feel 100% positive about that. I want to say: Bute was beaten by the better man on the night and well done, Andrade - isn't he a great chap too! I don't want to have my feeling of happiness for Andrade tarnished by this stuff. Also, if Bute wins, I want to be 100% just happy for Bute, not partly also a little bit happy because Andrade lost...you see?
     
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  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    No...impossible...anyway...it was a ridiculous thing to say he didn't come to Montreal hoping to fight Bute - of course he did! Do you think he might have forgotten why he came to Montreal in the first place?:huh

    One thing is to forget what you said in an interview, but this is not what this thing is about. The problem here is that Andrade is suggesting he came to Montreal to train with GYM and Howard because he wanted to be a better boxer and nothing else...it just happened that Bute was in Montreal and that GYM wanted him to lose...This is not true. Andrade came to Montreal to be a better boxer AND the boxer to beat Bute, with GYM's help! (as he said himself a couple of times very clearly in that inerview. Big difference...

    It is stupid to deny that now...and say it was a coincidence that he ended up fighting an IBF eliminator and that he now gets a shot at Bute. It is stupid because no one believes him and because his lie is blatant. If he feels guilty that he is taking GYM's help, he shouldn't lie about it...rather, he should not say anything at all about it...

    And if he feels a bit guilty and wants to lie because of that, he should instead question why he feels guilty in the first place, and whether he should be doing what he is doing...as a very moral and nice guy, as he wants to be known and respected and loved...
     
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  13. Fightfan of Mtl

    Fightfan of Mtl Bad Intentions Full Member

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    I think I understand your point, but if you are Andrade, you want the best training possible. If he thinks the Grants can do it for him, fine. Is it because of the proximity and the local comp between Interbox and Gym that gives him that?? Not sure...

    As far as playing fair and respect your opponent, well, I remember that not too long ago boxing used to be for bad ass people, it was the toughest guys and they were supported by mafia and such. Now, it seems that you no longer need to be a gangster to do well in boxing. Big parts of this is because of Interbox and Éric Lucas. And when I say Interbox I have to include Yvon Michel ( GYM is Groupe Yvon Michel ). Not that I like this guy, but the change took place when he was running Interbox a few years ago.

    What you call disappointment, I would call motivation to be better and that's what Gym and company gives to Interbox. It is obvious that Gym are very uppset with the succes of Interbox and they try everything to overcome that. Not happenning yet, every time Gym produce a gala in Montreal, people are pissed off because if they compare with Interbox shows, they always fall short. And it is in the choice of the opposition they take for their boxers, it's always easy opponents that are worn down or have suspicious records. To me, that's were Interbox is much better. The matchups are almost always way better and when you pay tickets to a gala, that's what you are there for. As for not playing it the regular way, some people have no ethics and are ready to do anything to change their situation........ but it does'nt always works.


    Finally, it's us fans in Montreal that benefit of such climate, as long as thet are in competition to be the best, we will have good boxers, good fights and hopefully many more belt holders in the near future.

    Peace!
     
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  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :good
     
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  15. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    i hope people will take this thread with a grain of salt as there is ALOT of bull**** in the original post
     
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