Methuselah Quotients (how many fighters over 35 years old ranked top 40 per division)

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    From the Opetaia vs. Nyika RBR:

    All top 40:

    41 year old Jack
    37 year old Masternak
    39 year old Pérez
    39 year old Cinkara
    37 year old Goulamirian
    36 year old Ngabu
    43 year old Włodarczyk
    38 year old Dorticós
    41 year old Kovalev
    54 year old Arslan
    37 year old Makabu
    36 year old Mchunu
    41 year old Pulev
    42 year old Pascal
    38 year old Caparello
    39 year old Johnson
    37 year old Apochi

    That is SEVENTEEN names over the age of 35. 17/40 - that's 42.5%!!! Is there another weight class with as high a Methuselah quotient?


    Let's see.

    Heavyweight:

    37 year old Usyk
    36 year old Fury
    41 year old Zhāng
    36 year old Hunter
    36 year old Whyte
    41 year old Chisora
    43 year old Pulev
    39 year old Joyce
    45 year old Ortíz
    36 year old Miller
    40 year old Hysa
    39 year old Wilder

    12/40 - 30%


    Light heavyweight:

    39 year old Beterbiev
    37 year old Gvozdyk
    37 year old Krasniqi
    38 year old Gavril
    40 year old Mardenli

    5/40 - 12.5%


    Super middleweight:

    36 year old Nelson
    37 year old Ndionimu
    39 year old Derevyanchenko
    36 year old Bacskai
    36 year old McCrory
    44 year old Khurtsidze

    6/40 - 15%


    Middleweight:

    41 year old Lara

    1/40 - 2.5%


    Super welterweight:

    37 year old Crawford
    37 year old Soro
    36 year old Metcalf
    36 year old García
    39 year old Culcay

    5/40 - 12.5%


    Welterweight:

    36 year old Riguccini
    36 year old Avanesyan

    2/40 - 5%


    Light welterweight:

    37 year old Yordan

    1/40 - 2.5%


    Lightweight:

    36 year old Lomachenko
    36 year old Berinchyk

    2/40 - 5%


    Super featherweight:

    37 year old Suárez
    36 year old Conceição
    39 year old Román
    36 year old Ogawa

    4/40 - 10%


    Featherweight:

    38 year old Doheny

    1/40 - 2.5%


    Super bantamweight:

    44 year old Rigondeaux

    1/40 - 2.5%


    Bantamweight:

    38 year old Wangek
    36 year old Cuadras

    2/40 - 5%


    Super flyweight:

    37 year old González
    37 year old Torres

    2/40 - 5%


    Flyweight:

    39 year old Chauke
    39 year old Nazarov

    2/40 - 5%


    Light flyweight:

    Nobody ranked top 40 above the age of 35. (both of the South African fighters that have no age listed on BoxRec - Siseko Teyise & Mpumelelo Tshabalala - are under thirty, per other sources)

    0/40 - 0%


    Strawweight:

    41 year old Takayama

    (Abongile Jacobs and Mthokozisi Ngxaka both have no age listed on BoxRec; they're both in their mid twenties)

    1/40 - 2.5%


    The other sixteen weight classes have a combined 47 fighters over the age of 35 in their respective top 40 rankings (per BR and their computerized system, so taken of course with a grain of salt...but still. Anybody remotely important, ranked top 15 in a major org, ought to be in there somewhere)

    47 of 640 fighters. The average Methuselah quotient for the rest of the SPORT OF BOXING aside from Cruiser is a mere 7.3% - meaning that CW is almost 6x more ancient than everybody. Hell, it's a damn sight older than even heavyweight, which surprised me.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

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    More like geezerweight. :deal:
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

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    Cruiser has more Methuselahs than all ten divisions south of 147 - light welter, lightweight, super feather, featherweight, super bantam, bantamweight, super fly, flyweight, light fly, and strawweight - combined. (17 > 16)
     
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  4. tinman

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    It does check out though. The higher you go in weight the more technique and power matter. Which are the 2 attributes that last the longest in boxing.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

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    HW (30%) skews younger than CW (42.5%)

    The overall trend as you rise up in weights does hold, though. Interesting that Lara is the solitary elder statesman at MW.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

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    You could also check out the ages of older baseball and basketball players. They can make way more money with a ball than outside the sport. Used to be assumed a guy would retire at 30 after making millions. Nope. I'll make millions for another 10 years they say.
     
  7. Fogger

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    Excellent research!
     
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  8. Izakaya

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    It also could be said that the lower you go in weight you need more speed and reflex because there are less KOs (guys like Inoue being outlier) overall which is the first thing to go with age, hense lower weight class guys tend to retire earlier or just fall below top tier faster.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

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    Yep, mid-thirties is usually the hard ceiling for primes sub-lightweight. Makes it all the more impressive Takayama being in the mix performing well at over 40!
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

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    +2 more names at SMW, btw, if GGG and Maravilla return. Neither has officially retired despite being inactive since 2022 and 2023 respectively.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can get away without solid technique in the lower weights. It's quite possible to become a dominant fighter in the low weight classes with sheer workrate and speed alone. In the higher weight classes a failure in technique is punished heavily. You mess up in the higher weight classes and you are eating a punch that the human skull cannot withstand.