Mexican and Mexican Americans are the most exciting fighters on the planet!

Fans are rating in this thread, not fighters.

 

It's easy on the surface. But how the hell do I begin to distinguish between the supernatural, and the incredible technical or skilled. How well does a guy like Pyror, Arguello, or Ezzard Charles do in this category?

Besides, does that mean RJJ is like a top 25 ATG to you? If so you're proving my point.

When did I say you could? Of course a fighter has to have ability, but you should rate who he beats, the era, etc. Not separately analyze their ability. Gives the individual to much choice in the matter. You may not see skills, but sometimes things are subtle. It also gives bias toward certain styles. On paper... Carmen Basilio would have never beaten SRR. But he did.

Calzaghe's resume is hardly impressive. Are you seriously that stupid? You're telling me Calzaghe was fighting the top ranked fighters and consistently cleaning out the division? Why are you being so obtuse? Of course you factor at what stage he beats those opponents. RJJ was shot, Hopkins was past it and he squeaked that fight. The last part on McBride just proves your idiocy.

 

What a fighter doesn't represent their resume/record? Okay, just change the rules and turn everything as we know it upside down.

How they do shows their ability, but also can show a fighters intangibles.

Based on your logic you can dismiss poor performances, and just call Ali a top 3 fighter and RJJ a top 10 fighter.

 

Right. On paper Taylor looks to be a better fighter than Chavez. Chavez is a lot more subtle, and a lot of his dominance might be hard to see on the surface. Like the things you mentioned.

 

Guess you never heard of Salvador Sanchez,Miguel Canto, Gilberto Roman? Also many others although the Mexicans that do have defensive skills also like to mix it up. You dont understand that there could be alot of Mexican fighters that would be great defensive fighters but its just the Mexicano way to wanna go to war:bbb

 

Chavez is not your typical pressure fighter as he could move into the pocket blast you and get out only repeat that for 12 rounds. He let these win the first few rounds because they would tire themselves out. He destroyed Uncle Roger twice, Camacho, Taylor,and Rosario. In short when you fought Chavez he would rob you of your greatness and the proceed to beat the **** out of you.

 

Again I repeat how do you expect these guys to go as far as they did to secure fights with the best in their era, or guys rated as the best in whatever competitive era that may be if it wasn't for ability?. Ability takes them there. Supernatural ability is easily seen through, that's how these guys are welcomed by specific trainers early in their career because they can see that these guys do have the physical ability to make it in this sport or whatever other sport it may be. As long as you can compete that's step #1, general ability and how great it may be shines against top opposition but it's ability that takes them far enough to compete with these guys, right?. Cotto looked like an unstoppable force against Gomez yet was brutalized against Pacquiao, that's another good example I'm sure relates to the "resume" part you're sticking to, it does take top opponents to bring out the best in you and if that ability is really that good, I don't disagree with you there.

You bringing up me rating several guys because of my points wasn't your idiocy shining but me bringing up Williams and McBride does?, do you even know how to respond properly or is this going to be yet another keyboard gladiator war?, if so then you can safely retain the title and find someone else in your keyboard standards to go toe to toe with. I have no time for fools.

 

Anarci I asked him what he thought about Lopez and Canto... he has yet to answer. He knows that if he does his whole theory falls apart.

 

I know there ones that could be great defensive fighters but that fighting style is not one that is appreciated there and for obvious reasons, you don't see these guys getting general attention like others who go toe to toe for example. It's obvious and any real Mexican boxing fan will agree even if they don't want to post it, the aggressive style is the style the majority appreciate over there and give attention to. Like Morales exchanged with Pacquiao there were ENDLESS moments where he used skill and defense to score more points over him in the first fight and that's just one example of a great Mexican fighter using defense, I can mention others. I repeat my point again, in general that fighting style is NOT appreciated nor bragged about which is also why the amateurs isn't very important to them except for experience but not important enough to go there and grab gold for instance because the training these guys go through early in their boxing lives is mostly based on offense.

 

"Could be great defesnive fighters" the fool won't even admit that Lopez and Canto had great defenses.

By the way who the hell appreciates defensive fighters in General... people don't pay to see Floyd win they pay to see him lose!

 

Yey and he also when on about Gold medal winners. When i brought up Paul Gonzales he said that was ancient (84) then when i mentioned there has been only 2 African american gold medalists since Delahoya he had no reply:think

 

Why do you want a fool to admit that?, above all why are you paying attention to what a fool is saying?, run along ******.

 

Oumak Sharmuta... bite me fan boy

 

So true, i loved Morales! Future Hall of famer NO DOUBT!

 

So ****ing what if there has been only two African Americans since DLH?, what's the point there?

You know the Cubans and Russians have been the ones dominating amateur boxing for a long time already and are usually favorites to win it early if you look at the bookies. Do you seriously want a discussion of amateur boxing with me?, stick to Vargas and Chavez please because I wouldn't want to take you in that discussion and educate you for free.