Mexican Trial Over Alvarez & Hatton Title Shot

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  1. wow_junky

    wow_junky Retired Full Member

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    From the general - http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291608 -

    During a televised show that aired in México, a mock trial was held, which involved several Mexican boxing personalities. World Champion Ana Maria Torres, Juan Manuel Marquez, TV commentator Alfonso Morales
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    Juan Manuel, the current lightweight champion of the world, gave his arguments and said that he was in total shock when he found out that Canelo and Hatton were fighting for the WBC belt.

    "That really sucks, I am speaking as a fighter and for the fighters that are ranked. They work very hard to get in the rankins and all of a sudden this kid is the number one contender because he has the silver belt? Come on, what about Perro Angulo, What about the English guy who is ranked number 4? What about Vanes, and now you give him Hatton who isn´t even ranked in the super welterweight division. It took me a lot of years to get a title shot that is why I am speaking as a fighter"

    Beristain also had some hard words for Sulaiman - This is total BS. Sulaiman owns the WBC everyone knows that and I am happy to get this oportunity to say this to his face. Why don´t you help Angulo get a visa, when you have done it in the past for many fighters. You have the power to do it, this is ridiculous. This kid Canelo has talent but he is too green to get a title shot. He hasn´t beaten any contenders yet and Hatton? what has he done? Nothing at all. He is not even a decent fighter´´

    Ana Maria Torres had her point of view as well - "I know inside the mexican boxing community, everyone thinks of this as a joke. Many fighters may not come up and say it, but it is true. I personally think he doesn´t deserve the title shot. He hasn´t fought any major oponents yet. Why a title shot? Canelo is a good prospect but he has done nothing yet. I totally agree with Juan and Nacho. The kid didn´t face any oponents in the rankings to become number one, and even worse Hatton hasn´t even fought at this weight class, so I think the people know about this and you can not fool them anymore"

    Sulaiman basically explained the situation that most of us know and he said the request for the vacant shot came from the promoter Oscar De La Hoya. he said the other contenders were not avaliable and the members of the WBC voted for Hatton, who is ranked number 6 as a welterweight, to gain the ability to face Alvarez for thet belt in accordance to the WBC rules.

    "That is what is going on. We go by the rules and that is what the members of voted for. It is not my decision but the decision of the board of the WBC. I am dissapointed that Marquez is not by the fighter's side. I am always on the fighter's side, and we want to give Canelo a chance because he is number one. The public wants it and I think Marquez is a jealous person who envies Canelo´s popularity. Juan Manuel I am surprised that you are acting this way."

    Marquez interrupted Sulaiman and said - "I don´t envy anyone because I am on my way out. I am a current champion who takes on anyone, and I'm a champion in three weight classes. What can I be jealous of?"

    By this time the argument was really heavy, Nacho told Sulaiman that he was a joke and Marquez said that many fans agree that Canelo and Hatton didn´t deserve the fight.

    Oscar De La Hoya said a few words.
    "Don´t get me wrong. I am just listening and I think the WBC has done the right thing by giving Canelo and Mathew the title shot. They deserve the fight. Hatton is not a pushover, he is a tough fighter. He comes to fight and punches hard. We are acting like if Canelo is already the winner and lets remember one thing I fought against the Matthew Hatton´s of the world, and so did you Juan Manuel. For example I fought against Shane Mosley who nobody knew about and he beat me. Juan Manuel, you fought against Chris John and you lost, so this is who Mathew Hatton is. He could be like Mosley and John."

    A very important opinion was needed and that came Julio Cesar Chavez Sr., who made a phone call to the show and said ´´I think Canelo has the talent, the skills, the power and he is on his way up, but i truly believe and I always say things the way I think - is at the moment you guys at Televisa have created a monster by way of publicity. He is just a product of TV and that hurts the fighter, and you make people believe that he is superman and he is not. He is a good fighter who will reach his potential but he is too young now to proclaim, as Televisa does, that he is the biggest thing on earth´´

    Regarding a fight with his son Julio and Canelo, Chavez said
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    I'm assuming this actually happened :lol: Pretty funny seeing them lay into the WBC. And :lol: :lol: :lol: at Oscar comparing Hatton to Chris John and Shane Mosely!!
     
  2. Evil Rick

    Evil Rick Active Member Full Member

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    This can't be true? That's possibly the most awesome thing ever. We should put David Haye and the Klit's on trial for there crimes against the heavyweight division.
     
  3. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    that is ****ing quality.
     
  4. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If true wow im surprised Sulaiman agreed to it.
    Sounds like a good publicity stunt. You heard it here first Hatton could be the next Chris John/Shane Mosley
     
  5. Lee Mc

    Lee Mc Boxing Addict banned

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    If, and I don't think he will, Matthew Hatton does beat Alvarez there is a LOT of serious money to be made against either Manny or Floyd...
     
  6. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

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  7. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    if Alvarez wins and is orderd to imediatley face a guy like Angulo, Cintron, Margorito, Martoroysion etc then i am fine with it, just don't see it happening.
     
  8. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the scene of boxing is now reporting this
     
  9. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ****
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S1U3GTDnaY&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTvt6OcNnsU&feature=related[/ame]
     
  10. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  11. EnglishWay

    EnglishWay KO King 2010 Full Member

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    haha this is unreal , i'll have to have a look at the youtube video inabit.
     
  12. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If hatton becomes a mosley/john and wins a fight against pacquaio will make an absoulte fortune.
     
  13. nip102

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    Sulaiman: WBC is not a puppet
    WBC President José Sulaimán has ripped into critics of the WBC’s recent handling of the 154lb title, in which the belt was stripped from Manny Pacquiao and Saul Alvarez’s clash with Matthew Hatton was quickly sanctioned for the newly vacant belt.

    “…human nature is formed by positive and unavoidable detractors,” wrote Sulaiman in his “Hook to the Liver” column that is published in El Universal every Sunday. “Last week was impacted by a couple of happenings, like the disqualification of Manny Pacquiao as a WBC champion, the appointment of Alvarez vs. Hatton to fill the vacancy, and the appointment of J.C.Chávez vs. Sebastian Zbik for the middleweight championship.

    “The WBC was founded in 1963, by all the active, distinct boxing organizations at the time, to try to unify the boxing life, to implement actions and rules for the safety in boxing and the protection of the boxers from those who treated them as merchandise instead of human beings, and to bring rule and order, which in a naturally controversial world like ours, it has turned out to be almost impossible. During my presidency, I have unequivocally tried to become an intermediary to try to resolve all problems with tact, respect, and gentlemanship with absolute feelings of equality, but very firm in our position to have our constitution and rules respected. It has been most of the times possible, but others, not. Permanent detractors do not make it easy, but as President Truman said: “He who does not like heat, should get out of the kitchen.” I have stayed because I like it; it gives me a reason to perform the best that I can.

    “During the WBC’s founding in 1963, the constituents brought in a rule, 1.25 (b), that states: “Any WBC champion that becomes champion of the world of a different division or in another organization, or any champion who wins two titles of different divisions, must relinquish one of those within the 15 following days after conquering the dual championship, with such title being declared vacant.”

    “Double champions had 15 days to make a decision on what title to keep to stop fighters being the champions of more than one title, to have always open all divisions with activity for the so many fighters continuously fighting and winning to get a championship opportunity; the great Henry Armstrong was the simultaneous champion in three divisions, leaving all of the fighters in two of them without opportunities. This rule has been always respected, without exception.

    “Great fighters have been double champions, but they have always complied with this rule: Sugar Ray Leonard, Julio César Chávez, Oscar de la Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Tommy Hearns, Pernell Whitaker, Wilfredo Gómez, Roberto Durán, and Wilfred Benitez, among many other champions of their time who are not below the greatness of Pacquiao, all to the contrary, as all of them were top boxing heroes who thrilled the fans to the maximum as well as being the pride of their countries and wrote in gold their names in the boxing history. All of them, without exception, complied with this important rule and treated and behaved with us with respect and loyalty, unlike Pacquiao, his promoter Bob Arum, and to some extent his representative, Mike Koncz, who never contacted the WBC within the 89 days that went by, and never reciprocated the WBC with the empathy, the idolatry and respect as we have always treated them. The WBC is not a beggar nor a sack of trash, and we have never, ever asked for pity. The WBC is the organization that gave Manny the opportunity 12 years ago to win his first world title, the flyweight, and later on five world championships in different divisions, as well as the maximum WBC award, which is the WBC Diamond Belt, that has been won only by Pacquiao in the 49 years of the WBC. Far away from thinking that we did wrong, we are very proud to have had our pants well tightened to defend the dignity and the honor of the WBC.

    “One other news item that moved detractors, a few Mexicans among them, was the approval of the WBC to have the WBC super welterweight Silver Belt champion, Saul Álvarez, to fight against Matthew Hatton, the welterweight EBU champion, to fill the super welterweight title left vacant by Pacquiao, moved by the vested interests who even influence some of the media, when the WBC Board of Governors studied the special circumstances of seeing that while Álvarez was the #1, Alfredo Angulo #2, inactive for a long time after losing his visa and the USA court to recover it; #3, Paul Williams, whose last fight was a devastating K.O. commotion by Sergio Martínez; #4 Ryan Rhodes, being unavailable, and #5, Antonio Margarito, who has not yet received the medical approval to box again.

    “Under those circumstances, the WBC considered very seriously that the fight Alvarez-Hatton had already been signed for March 5; also the opportunity to fill immediately the vacant title left by Pacquiao, instead of waiting five or six months to fill it. Also considered was the rule of the WBC that states that any rated boxer can fight for the title at any of the upper or lower divisions, as it has been the case always with all the champions mentioned above, as also Muhammad Ali, winner of a gold medal in the light heavyweight division; Erik Morales, Marco Barrera, El Travieso Arce, Pacquiao himself, Emile Griffith, Alexis Argüello, and so many other fighters through the decades, which is absolutely no different than the action taken by the WBC in favor of two boxers with 79 victories and only 4 defeats combined, when one is the undefeated WBC Silver Belt champion, while the other had three years as champion of the British Empire, and three defenses of his present EBU-EUROPE title. The WBC feels firmer than ever with its decision, while feeling sorry for the fact that boxing today is an industry where its people fight hard to tarnish the image of their rivals, when it would much better when fighting harder for their own victories and success.

    “Mexico, Great Britain and Germany will have their champions’ opportunities to win WBC championships for their boxing fans and their own countries. The WBC is not a puppet, and will always struggle for justice, equality, and opportunities for all. So be it.”
     
  14. 53 and counting

    53 and counting Warriors. Full Member

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    That is brilliant, i wish i paid attention to spanish in school now.
     
  15. gemmell100

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    why are they saying rhodes was unavailable, he didn't get the call!