Michael Fielding vs. Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán & Tevin Farmer vs. Francisco Hernán Fonseca RBR

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  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes and there is a Euro belt knocking about somewhere,look back on the Joshua’s and Dillian Whytes of this world and early on in their respective careers you’ll see em with a duff looking,blue belt round their waists which represents them taking early steps,either you’re world level and you’ll have one of the four belts or you not.
     
  2. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah you right and one thing I give Canelo credit for is breaking a bum down the way a bum is supposed to be broke down. He didn't act like the fight was hard but rather showed in detail how to dismantle a man that had no business in the ring with him. Now, hopefully he picks a top contender in the MW division to fight next. I really want to see him fight Charlo. I think that he knocks Jacobs out.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Point being, for some people (future world champs, that is), a Euro title is a stepping-stone...much as is a British title, or English title, or Midlands Area title below that. For some people, however, each of those stepped tiers is their CEILING. To refer to an individual being "area level" means they could become Midlands champ but probably never in their wildest dreams British champ. To say one is English level means they could be English champ but probably never win a Euro title. Etc.

    Fielding despite having a world title belt through flukey circumstances (in other words, a paper champ) is more accurately Euro belt tier.
     
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  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    The fighters I mentioned in the earlier post all held WORLD titles, not EBU titles.

    The the use of the term Euro-tier has, in the days before the fall of the iron curtain, indicated a fighter who might be good enough to pick up a Euro belt, but not a 'real' title (WBA/WBC/WBO/IBF).

    At this point, from MW up, that sense of the use of Euro has become antiquated.

    And this part of your post is enlightening, if you do say so yourself...

    Speaks volumes.
     
  5. kasabian19

    kasabian19 Active Member Full Member

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    Why do people always compare boxers to the general public?

    'He took on canelo. He got up after a body shot. He's tougher than most people'. Etc.

    Really? He's a ****ing boxer. That's what he trains for. That's his ****ing job. If I did my job pathetically then I'd deserve to be slated by all and sundry, no matter who they were.

    A boxer smiling when he gets knocked down and after he's just been beaten is disgraceful in my opinion. He came for the payday, we all know that, but at least go ****ing mental and try to win.
     
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  6. Cafe

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    But what's wrong with having multiple tiers of categorization? I mean take Sergey Khomitsky for example. So because he's not world level I can't classify him as Euro level which would be a perfect descriptive of his capabilities. So he's no level at all? Yeah I guess you can say "journeyman" but at the same time, that's not entirely true either because he's better than a lot of journeymen.
     
  7. Angler Andrew

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    Mute point since those Eastern European guys were born in Russia and even now they won’t class themselves as European and they have long since passed
    Me too lol,I’m from the U.K. and had no idea who he was until reading last night that he was from Liverpool,called it earlier on and said Canelo would treat this like he did against another pick in Chavez and I fully expected him to stand in the corner between rounds albeit however many it was.
     
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  8. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did try to win. That's why he lost so miserably.
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Euro Level used to be both a derogatory term and the stepping stone tier between domestic and world level but comrade @bailey and I have reclassified it in recent years and in 2018 it's actually highly complimentary to refer to a fighter as Euro Level


    Brit Level aka Elite of the Elite Level




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    American Level aka Dosser Level

    Please just stick to this tier system from here on as it's the most accurate one out there


    Rocky From Stocky is Scouse Level
     
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    He made absolutely no use of his advantages of height and reach, and did not try to fight at distance.

    And his punch resistance to the mid section in the very first round was pitiful.

    Smith would have been a better test.
     
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  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes or at least have the nouse to try and utilise what height and reach you’ve got,sounds like he did neither.
    This was as bad a pick for Canelo as I can remember,the general public can see a lie when it’s presented like this,as for his fans,well they seem to share his traits which is something I cannot get my head around.
     
  12. Angler Andrew

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    Yes that’s crazy when it was his only redeeming thing,heard it said many a time that a good coach won’t even bother with someone until they’ve shown em they can throw a left jab or vice versa,seems rudimentary at this level but in a division so poor you do get guys like Eubank Jnr and Fielding who don’t appear to have that punch.
     
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  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Apparently, there was a rehydration clause in Rocky's contract.

    In fact the whole event reminds me of SRL (commenting tonight) going after Donny Lalonde for the (newly created at that time) SuperMW belt AND the LHW belt at the same time. He made Lalonde drain down from his usual 175 to 168 and then claimed belts at five divisions.

    His smh and LHW claims are somewhat spurious.
     
  14. CutThroatFade

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    Ffs I actually fell asleep during the interval after Farmer and missed that but I was spot on.
     
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  15. Angler Andrew

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    Nothing wrong at all and for those in question it represents a stepping stone.