Michael Fielding vs. Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán & Tevin Farmer vs. Francisco Hernán Fonseca RBR

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    who is hating? Canelo fought for a title, you mentioned a guy who was not even a title fight.
     
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  2. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    That's a pompous attitude, not knowing every fighter's birth name is not "laziness and ignorance". It's just not common knowledge. Also, you're already going out of your way by using fighter's birth name, I doubt you knew "Santos Saul Alvarez Barragan" off the top of your head. You had to go to BoxRec and look up that name.
     
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  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Once I actually saw, I don't know whether it was you IB or CST, use Japanese lettering (Kanji) to refer to a Japanese fighter. Unless you're a Japanese speaker, you'd have no way of knowing which fighter is in the title without knowing that the particular fight was happening in advance. That's just completely unnecessary and pretentious.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    In a RBR title? No, you probably didn't. We both use transliterations of Japanese names - which is still their real names. We both, however, would refer to "Eagle Kyowa" by his actual name Den Junlaphan...or to "Salaryman" as Teppei Kikui...or "Trash" as Masaki Nakamuna.

    I've known Canelo's full name without having to look it up for over a decade now, actually, but even had I not, I've still always known - as should any non-idiot - that his name isn't actually the Spanish word for cinnamon. His name at the very least ought to expressed as "Saúl Álvarez" (with the diacritics), if not the full extent of his familial name, same with any Latin American fighter. They all have a "real name" for everyday use, generally consisting of first/last, and then anywhere from one to as many as four additional ones. You don't HAVE to use literally all of those in order to be technically correct in rendering their name (I simply choose to, being OCD and compulsively thorough) ...but you do need to, if you want to come across sounding the least bit serious, use their real first and last, with diacritics, and without frivolous nicknames, however easily recognized they are by the latter.

    You knew who the principals of yesterday's fight were, no? You know that Canelo's last name is Álvarez, no? You really expect me to believe any intelligent person could have difficulty parsing out that a RBR title containing the names "{blank} FIELDING versus {blank} Álvarez", even if they were previously unaware their first names were Michael and Saúl respectively, was in fact the card they we seeking? (let alone that it also included Farmer & Fonseca, the names in the co-feature) ...or to feel the slightest bit of sympathy for those who can't? Like that's a realistic excuse to "miss" a RBR thread, just because someone fails to employ five nanoseconds worth of deductice reasoning and common sense?
     
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  5. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I think in this particular case, it's not that much of an issue as it is fairly obvious. Everyone knows Canelo's real name (Saul Alvarez). And Michael Fielding is not a big jump from Rocky Fielding and is fairly easy to understand.

    But there have definitely been cases in the past where it obfuscated things. Like for example: you have a popular fighter, fighting a journeyman or something.

    So in the title, you'd have one fighter you never heard of and then the popular fighter is also referred to by his birth name which a lot of people (including myself) wouldn't know. So all you see is two names you've never heard of, disregard the RBR as one of those low-level fights. Only later to find out a guy you care about was actually fighting. It's only happened on a couple of occasions for me but it has happened. Not a massive deal and you can say it's my fault since I should check up on the schedules but sometimes I'm busy (or just lazy) and I use this website to find out when a fight is on. If I see an RBR I'm interested in, I tune in for the fight.

    Either way, these are your threads so you can do what you want, I can't force you to do it one way or the other. I'm just saying, sometimes opting to go for the birth names may not always be the best choice as far as clarity goes so including both (real name and preferred name) would help in some fights.
     
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  6. The Ogdoad

    The Ogdoad Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Allowing himself to be given a rehydration clause was weak also. Canelo will demand one from any 168 pounder he faces now.
     
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  7. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Never :lol:

    But it's something the poor old Ginger juicer will have to live with forever.
     
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  8. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    You're probably right but I couldn't give Horn anymore that 3 rounds when he 'won' his belt. Indongo at least actually won his world championship belt. All three are domestic level fighters used up and spat out by elite level.
     
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