Michael Grant v Pianeta,Wach,Mormeck,Leapai?

He doesn't go through all 4 without a loss. Kind of a loss via osmosis or wear and tear, but he'd lose.
And his stock price would soar when he wins the early bouts and then it plummets once he loses. Funny how some guys can lose 1 fight and be considered mediocre or exposed.


I also think he benefitted from a time when he was the big guy in there. Grant in there with a guy like Valuev would have been interesting to see him handle a bigger guy. I don't think he handles it well and just boxed a lot like guys with a built in size advantage. That's when those defensive shortcomings get magnified.

 

Pianeta and Wach have a very good chance to beat him, Mormeck none and Leapai has a slim punchers chance, Grant did not have the best whiskers he made McCline look like a beast

 

Pretty much. I think Wach stops him and Pianeta decisions him. Golota dropped him twice in opening round, Mccline stopped him in one (ankle may have played a role but he got clobbered) and Lewis defeated him easily.

 

For all his flaws, I think Grant was a bit better than those guys.

Either way, there was a lot more media interest in Grant, than in any of those guys.

 

That is a key in shaping many people's opinion of fighters. Media attention.

 

20-0 Grant beat Ross Purrity.

Why couldn't 24-0 Wladimir Klitschko beat Purrity?

You're not allowed bring up the Purrity loss but I question that.

Wlad was an Olympic Gold medallist with an extensive amateur pedigree.

Grant had barely any amateur experience. Only 12 amateur fights to his name.

So Wlad had far more amateur and professional experience than Grant.

But but Wlad was being brought along too quick

Grant fought every month leading up to the Purrity fight same as Wlad. In fact he fought a total of 35 rounds that year , while Wlad fought a total of 28.

The data proves Wlad was better equipped and more prepared than Grant but still lost. Why wasn't Grant punched around the ring like Wlad was? The Purrity loss is relevant.

Why is this loss swept under the carpet? Along with the Willaimson quit job?

Because this Wlad is a phooney champ who wouldn't be where he is today without the division being at its worst and turning boxing into wrestling so he doesn't get exposed again. Really this guy should not be favoured in any H2H fantasy match ups.

 

Wach I favor the most

Pianeta I give a chance in points

Mormeck slim chance but would favor Grant

Leapai relatively small punchers chance

 

I think he beats all of those guys, assuming he's at his best properly prepared.. Grant showed real grit battling it out with Golata and took many hard shots, even rose of the canvas to come back and force the victory. Andrew was better than anyone mentioned on that list. Michael was a big fellow at 6'7", 245 muscular lbs. His defense and ring acumen sucked, but these aren't sweet scientists we're matching him with either... Someone mentioned the McCline fight as a possible gauge and reason for picking some of these guys. That was the strangest fight I've ever seen.. The two men met in the center of the ring, only five seconds into the contest. McCline ( who wasn't exactly a knockout artist ) landed a punch that didn't even look that hard.. Grant, who had already taken numerous hard shots from Golata, Purity, Lewis, and Gonzalez, went down, got back up and claimed his knee was injured or something, and quit. Something seemed rather fishy about that bout to the extent where I wouldn't factor it too heavily into the equation.

 

McCline in his prime was clearly better than any of these 4. And better than Grant, too. The Grant KO was surprising, but McCline hits hard (he had knocked down Byrd, Brock, Peter 3 times and few others, all of them had better chin than Grant).

Grant's chin was exposed in Golota and Lewis fights, then again in McCline and Guinn fights. Sometimes big guys just have bad chins (Derrick Jefferson, Grant, Tyson Fury).

 

Grant prior to the Lewis KO ... KOs all four.

 

I tend to agree with this. I think Wach presents the most trouble. The others are real soft touches.

 

Oh yes, he KO's Wach cold :yep

Wach ate all left hooks and right hands of Wlad, who fought as agressively as ever and landed the most power punches in his career in that fight, and Wach never went down.

Still Grant who failed to KO Lionel Butler (unlike the hard hitting Chris Byrd), Jeff Wooden and Lou Savarese, KO's Wach:huh

 

When big and lousy athletes compete you have knockouts. No need to bunch your panties about it - or imagine out "cold". A stoppage of Wach by another equivalently sized athlete is not exactly splitting the atom. OTOH, Wach did stop Tye Fields ... so who knows?

How does that X didn't KO Y but Z did argument hold up over so many other comparatives?

Is a Wach an impressive large sized "athlete" where you come from ...

I'd reevaluate after your convincing post but I'd have to stab out my eyes rather than spend a moment watching this level of athlete in action ...

 

Wach is slow and predictable, but he has steel chin, and Wlad hits harder than Grant for sure. I can't see Grant winning this by KO.

Of course, prime Grant (as limited as he was) KO's Mormeck or Leapai, who are by far 2 worst Wlad's challengers since 2000 win over Byrd (Charles Shufford would've beaten them, too).