Michael Hunter Jr’s professional career (simplified)

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Will Hunter ever be a world heavyweight champion?

Poll closed Sep 15, 2021.

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    1. Is worked out, schooled and then battered by Usyk in America and would have been stopped in the 12th anywhere in the world but in his backyard

    2. Immediately moves back up to heavyweight to avoid the likes of Briedis, Gassiev etc.

    3. Gets two decent wins over plodding fringe contenders Bakole and Kuzmin

    4. Fights a badly faded 40 year old Povetkin: gets off to a good start in a back and forth contest but flags, Povetkin (a nearly-man of the previous era and a 6 round fighter even in his late 20’s/early 30’s according to former coach Teddy Atlas) takes over and is clearly the stronger man in the last three rounds of the 12, Hunter gets a draw

    5. Talks begin to fight the inexperienced but talented prospect Hrgovic for a mandatory position to challenge AJ. Everything looks good but Hunter gets cold feet and abruptly pulls out citing risk-reward, alienating the boxing industry and the fans. He fights a 38.5 year old, 2 year inactive, career cruiser journeyman featherfist on Triller instead (originally intended to be on Jake Paul’s undercard)

    6. Openly considers a move to bridgerweight now that he’s past 33 and in heavyweight no man’s land; a logical move for any 2nd rate cruiser who is too old or undisciplined to shed the pounds

    7. Rematches a journeyman (his 3rd journeyman in a row over 2 years) on a Triller card who he had already pitched a shutout against in his 5th pro fight: goes life and death over 10 and escapes with what most regard as a gift draw
     
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  2. anjawnaymiz

    anjawnaymiz Can we get Ivan Dychko some momentum Full Member

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    Hunter vs Chisora would be perfection
     
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  3. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    Hunter would beat Whyte though.
     
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  4. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bakole - Took on Bakole at very short notice. Bakole was a big favourite with bookies and at the time a lot of people on this forum were of the opinion Bakole was a bigger prospect than either Joyce and Dubois. Hunter schools and stops Bakole in an very impressive Manor.

    Ustinov - Hunter again takes on the fight at very short notice. Hunter batters and stops the durable Ustinov in impressive Manor.

    Kuzmin - Hunter convincing wins the fight including dropping the durable Kuzmin.

    Povetkin - takes on one the top 5 HWs and the was robbed a win. Majority of this forum were of the opinion Hunter was the deserved winner. I myself scored the fight 8- 4 in Hunters favour in a very good fight.

    Hunter has since battered a couple of low level journeyman in as expected. Is now the WBA mandatory.

    For me Hunter is amongst one of the top 5 HWs at present although I lost some respect for him ducking Hrgovic and taking the easy route to mandatory fighting Wilson.

    Hunter's peformance against Povetkin is a more impressive peformance against a higher quality of opponent than Wilder has ever beaten. Due to this I view Hunter as the best American fighter.

    Can Hunter beat AJ or Fury? I veiw as a live underdog in both and I wouldn't rule out a upset. Usyk convincingly beat Hujter again if they rematch. Wilder wouldn't get in the ring with Hunter and if he did I'd bee amazed if Wilder survived 5 rounds.
     
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  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do not hold this against him.
    He had balls to fight with really in prime shape Usyk version ( he long ago isn't in such shape anymore ).
    Lost fight vs future Undisputed division champ and The Ring champ doesn't looks so bad.

    Bellew had vacated his WBC CW World title when they told that he should fight with winner of Huck vs then not old Briedis.
    There too I do not hold this against Hunter.

    Gifted draw with uncle's ghost yeah.

    This really will impact his career: if he had won vs Hrgovic, his stakes had been raised significantly and even if he did not had used his mando option vs IBF champ, still future paychecks might be considerably higher.

    Was gifted a draw not robbed a win, ofc Yanks are thinking otherwise. For them everyone must be robbed in favor to US fighter and if it does not happen, then Yank had been " robbed ".
    Ustinov is with very long mileage under belt and considerably older than uncle Povetkin.
     
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  6. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am not a yank, I am English. Big fans of both fighters. I scored it in first viewing 7-5 then on second viewing 8-4 in favour of Hunter. The majority of the British forum who don't have aligence to either fighter thought Hunter was the deserved winner.

    I agree with your Ustinov comments. I still viewed it as impressive considering the short notice, the huge size difference and Ustiniv previously proving to be durable.
     
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  7. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If the belts get fractured in the next few years he’d be capable of winning a vacant title.
     
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  8. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had scored this as a draw.

    While Hunter's resume at CW and even Yarde at LHW likes me far better than a lot of declared future world beaters with records like 20-0-0 and even with more impressive numbers here who NEVER had fought with anyone who had been ranked even at least just by boxrec in top 50 before fight with these lads and still lads are advertised as future world level killers.
    If compare with this guys like Hunter and Yarde likes me better than these from such kind with holy 0 in pro record.
     
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  9. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    This poster is full of ****
     
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  10. Pepsi Dioxide

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    I had no issue with Hunter vs Povetkin being a draw or a slight win for either. I think I scored it for Povetkin but lots of close rounds. Povetkin was on his last legs but still had a little left in the tank and was a top 10 heavyweight at the time.

    No idea why Hunter vs Hrgovic didn't happen, I was looking forward to that way more than that guy he KOd (Wilson?).

    He's resume at heavy is OKish all things considered for a heavyweight 2021. I agree he needs to fight another top ten guy and get some momentum. I think him vs Parker would be a good solid matchup.

    Edit: I voted no here, but if Joshua and/or Fury unify the titles and retire after I could see Hunter maybe picking up a vacant belt
     
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  11. NEETzschean

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    Shot, badly hurt 41 year old Povetkin sparked prime Whyte in Whyte's backyard so that isn't saying much. I think it would be very competitive.
     
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  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Spot on Mitch

    Great post
     
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  13. NEETzschean

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    Povetkin could have been given a KD when he sent Hunter reeling into the ropes but I think the draw was a fair result on balance. He was badly faded at that point but not shot; the Hunter fight and the extra year of aging and inactivity took a lot out of Povetkin and he didn't have much left. If the Povetkin that Hunter fought was top 10, he was very much of the fringes of the top 10 and if you're a serious contender you should be stopping that version of Povetkin.

    Hunter-Hrgovic didn't happen because Hunter chickened out. He didn't believe he could beat Hrgovic, who was too big and strong for him. He was smart enough to realise that if he can't beat grandpa Povetkin, he isn't beating a young lion who is 4 inches taller, 20 lbs heavier with elite amateur skills.

    Hunter is a fringe contender but he's slightly more dangerous than Parker because he's more aggressive and determined. On the other hand he's 3.5 years older and a natural cruiser.
     
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  14. NEETzschean

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    Losing to Usyk is no disgrace but Hunter got beaten-up badly in his backyard and if that's happening to him, he isn't likely to do much at HW.

    Hunter could have stayed at cruiser and participated in the WBSS couldn't he? But he saw that as pointless because he'd end up losing to Usyk, Briedis, Gassiev, Dorticos etc. Moving up to HW was a smart move: bigger paydays and more winnable fights against plodding fringe contenders.

    Yes. If you're legitimately getting a draw with 40 year old Povetkin, you're not a serious contender.

    He knew he wasn't beating Hrgovic so he knows he'll never be champ, unless the belts fragment and he's in position to fight a Charles Martin or Andy Ruiz. I can't see that happening though, 33 year old Hunter has burned his bridges with the boxing industry.

    Ustinov isn't even a notable win. Pulev KO'd him in his prime, Charr beat a better version and Joyce demolished him in 3 rounds the fight after Hunter beat him in 9.
     
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  15. Themessiah

    Themessiah El Jefe Full Member

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    I don't think highly of Hunter but some of these aren't even facts. You could also break down lots of resumes using that method
     
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