Michael Jai White on straight punching/not telegraphing

He is right that most boxers use telegraphed punches. Floyd doesn't. Pacquiao doesn't. Hatton at times didn't. The really elite boxers don't. Even Taylor knew how to throw the jab.

But the boxers who aren't elite can be countered precisely because they throw telegraphed punches. Knowing where their legs are positions, how their feet are positioned, can indicate what sort of punch they can come with, and knowing where theirs shoulders are and what the distance is can indicate what sort of punch they can come with, and unless they punch from a crazy angle it's easy to counter just by knowing that. This is why the elite boxers change their angles or can punch from impossible angles, or switch to southpaw.

 

The guy to watch out for now is Jon Bones Jones. Only 23ish, 205 and 86 inch reach! The guys arms are crazy and the dude, to me, is more dynamic than silva. He is super unorthodox, crazy powerful and undefeated. If he can handle the pressure, he will not lose for the forseeable future. He is the RJJ of MMA to me right now. Way more fun to watch than GSP and Anderson Silva is about one fight away from being the current form RJJ....he is way too reflex based and 36 years old.

 

GSP used the untelegraphed jab to beat Koscheck in an actual MMA bout which should prove my point. Anyone can watch the bout and see the untelegraphed jab and how to use it.

 

I don't disagree. But EVERY punch is telegrahed except the one he is throwing. That just doesn't translate well for a FULL boxing match. I agree elite level fighters (whose ability is beyond what a "normal" fighter can do, can throw punches that aren't perceived well. But any deviation from a straight line (his whole point) would be telegraphed which is why he talks about moving shoulders. That is why he ONLY threw one punch (a straight line punch). If you look at a punch outside of a straight line, it IS telegraphed. It's simple math man. A straight line punch is not a telegrahped punch (if thrown correctly). But an uppercut, a hook, etc are all telegraphed just due to the nature of the punch. But...ya need em in boxing. Also a lot of boxers telegraph on purpose for timing, for flow and rhythm.

 

Also I do disagree with Taylor. He had the WORST telegraphing ever if you watch him closely. After almost every jab, he touches his face with his glove. It was a horrible habit and I always wondered if fighters picked up on that neurotic tendency he had where he would jab a few times and then use his opposing glove to touch his face. Bizarre

 

MMA isn't like boxing. MMA fighters can fight on the ground and thats not reflex based at all. MMA fighters can also use kicks. Anderson Silva isn't anywhere near done even if he lost his reflexes which appears to already be the case, he still has very strong technique on top of that. He knocked a guy out with a front kick.

Can he ever lose? Sure. If he went up against Jon Jones he would certainly lose. Will he ever lose? Not likely. His division is too weak and no one in his division is anywhere near his level.

 

That could just as easily be a diversion. Not every movement is a real movement, and if you look at elite boxers like Roy Jones Jr for example or Ricky Hatton or Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquoiao, they all have these funny habits which they use to allow the opponent to expect a certain punch in a certain way but then they throw something else.


Mayweather occasionally adopts a high guard before the jab contest for reasons I dont understand. Jones Jr used to fake being tired, and deliberately leave his hands down and catch the opponent with his check hook which everyone watching on TV knew was coming but somehow the fighters could never avoid it. Hopkin's takes a step back and then lunges forward with the same punch over and over, and anyone would think any time he takes a step back hes going to throw that punch. Pacquiao did the same thing with Hatton.

Elite boxers know how to be deceptive and fake their movements to lure the opponent into expecting something and then they throw something in a way which they don't expect. That too is a type of untelegraphed punch.

The fact that Taylor lands that jab on everyone from Hopkins to Froch to Abraham should tell you that Taylor's jab is untelegraphed. It's accuracy proves it because if it were so easy to avoid then Taylor would never have become champion.

 

Throw straight untelgraphed punches seems like pretty sound advise no matter who it comes from.

 

All sports have outstanding coachs/teachers who were not god players and or never compeeted on a high level.

 

I mean no disrespect and obviously words and sarcasm on the internet is misconstrued but I am a boxer and an enthusiast. I go to many of the fights. JT was a very nervous fighter which is partially why he had gas tank problems. youtube his fights and I am sure you can see clearly what I am talking about. It was a subconscious neverous tick. He wasted a lot of energy with his mental state and that constant glove to his face was just some weird problem that never got corrected. JT did have a good jab but it was horrible with AA. He rarely broke his guard. Dirrell used a much more effective jab. JT was, to me, a very predictable fighter and my opinion on him won't change. I liked the guy too. I watched him spar at Kronk a few times against Lee. But JT's jab was predictable. A lot of his effectiveness with the jab was his power and the hype he had as a fighter on HBO. But he didn't mix it up much with speed and timing like Dirrell was able to do.

Regarding Silva, it is partially true that MMA is less reflex based. That front kick was amazing. Talk about a non telegraphed straight line move. Interestingly, it was such a high level kick, it started as a fake. But Chael Sonnen was winning the standup against AA and that was evidence for me to see that Silva's hands down technique, is going to get him sent out cold...probably from a much lesser guy. The fact is he likes to stand up and trade despite being a BJJ. He doesn't have the explosiveness or the muscle (good thing imo) to hang with the wrestlers and therefore he will need to rely on his standup but his standup is predicated upon a very RJJ like unorthodox style that is reflex based. Just like RJJ, he won't be able to "learn" to block and change styles at this point.

He won't be able to be effective on the ground with BJJ as the high level wrestling is trumping BJJ just due to the UFC rules and the ability for guys to lay and pray and control the ground position with their strength and wrestling ability. But I guess that is neither here nor there.

I still think that MJW is a good teacher of fight principles but he has no real business talking about "the downfalls" of boxing when really....he isn't a boxer and there IS a reason to telegraph in boxing. There are numerous reasons and it is ultimately to set up the shots that put asses on canvasses and bring asses out of seats. Peace.

 

Interesting video.

 

I think Freddie Roach is taking notes!

 

You stupid?

 

No, blood and bone!:good