Michael Moorer vs Sergey Kovalev

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  1. The Mongoose

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    Chad Dawson was easy pickings and will likely never be world class again. Scully was so disgusted with him he walked out on him prior to the Stevenson fight.

    In an interview with Real Combat Media in Atlantic City less than a week before this fight, Iceman [url]John Scully[/url], former principal trainer of Chad Dawson, noted there were serious training issues, weight loss concerns and behavior problems dealing with Chad in the Las Vegas camp while he was attempting to train Dawson for [url]Andre Ward[/url], with Dawson not listening to his trainer or following his instructions. Scully made up his mind to leave Dawson for good after the Ward bout and set up a new gym in Florida, and did not speak to Chad again

    It's pretty bad and telling that Kov has ended up being ranked above the lineal Champion at all. But refusing the three top men in his division and struggling with cherry picks will do that.

    Cloud and Bellew were decent but not in as high standing as Hopkins and Pascal. I actually praised Stevenson's performance against Cloud on these forums, but that was the last time I was impressed with him. If Stevenson somehow beats Kov, I still think he needs at least Hopkins or Pascal to solidify his claim. As is, it would just like he used Kov as a policeman.

    And Stevenson hasn't either, well except for that mutual opponent they share who knocked him out. Pascal was having to absorb some heavy punishment to land on Kov. And Kov can be cautious and control a fight as he did against Hopkins.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    If you hate some of the people here, why do you bother logging on?
     
  3. mcvey

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    Everyone he faced , and by stoppage .
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Southpaw stances bother those who have not faced them, and those who need work on defense the most. Kovalev had over 200 amateur fights, and has the best weapon vs a South paw. The straight right hand. I think he'd do just fine.

    While many comment on Kovalev's power, or skills, I am impressed with his ability to quickly adapt and time people.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    Stewart had been around the block and back by the time Moorer got to him, man. Even the magic mullet Laldone had already took a piece of his punch drunk ass., and in less rounds I might add.

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=112NxFZ7riE[/url]
     
  6. kovalevtheGoat

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    Brilliant. He didn't beaten a qawi or Johnson or Muhammad or whatever. So let's answer the q when moorer beats someone at lhw....:: zzzz zzzzz
     
  7. mcvey

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    What I'm saying is:
    We will be able to make a more informed assessment of Kovalev after he has faced Stevenson .
    If you find that unreasonable that's your problem I couldn't _____ you know the rest.
     
  8. Bokaj

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    What the **** has this too with that PP said? This rambling diatribe probably came from him hitting the mark on you.

    I was willing to give you the benefit of a doubt when you named MLK and Obama in the same sentence as Stalin and Mao, disturbing as that was, but this shows what you really are about.
     
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    So if he beats stevenson the hard hitting southpaw that gives him a good chance of competing with moorer in a fantasy match up. Even though moorer and stevenson don't fight the same at all. Has moorer faced a KRUSHER type opponent in his time at lhw.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    Dawson was diminished but still had high standing and lost in a way that he probably wouldn't have to anyone else in 2013. Hopkins looks good on anyone's win list but he's 50 years old and I think his age has finally caught up to him. Struggled with cherry picks? Not one of Kovalev's last 5 opponents had any power to hurt him with and one even put him on the canvas ( though I believe that had something to do with his opponent stepping on his foot while hitting him. ) Their resumes aren't that far apart and again while I'd favor Kovalev to beat Adonis just as much as you, I wouldn't write Stevenson off completely.
     
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    Because I like many others. You are good for comedic value, as is Red Cobra.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    Dawson only had a high standing because his LHW prizes weren't on the line against Ward, he got absolutely mauled and demolished in that fight. Props to Stevenson for taking care of business in a convincing way.

    Fonfara was supposed to be a soft touch, at least softer than the Pascal, Kov, and Hopkins fights he turned down for it. Than he had trouble pulling the trigger on that horrible looking Dimtri guy in what was supposed to be a showcase.

    Not Kov's problem. Pascal isn't a KO artist but he has hurt just about everybody he fought, including Dawson and Hopkins. Lets not make the knockdown anymore than it was, a miscall by the ref.

    I think there is a decent gulf in resume as of now. One just had the opportunity to be selected as a comeback opponent for a vulnerable Champion.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    That and he had spent much of the past 5 to 6 years beating the best light heavyweights around and was still only around 29-30 years of age.


    I saw it and felt sorry for Dawson. It was a bad beating received from one of the best p4p fighters in the world and one he had to drop weight to meet.


    He decked and cut Fonfara early and was basically dominating that fight.. Had Stevenson not injured his hand he might very well have finished it right then and there. As it turned out, it ended up being a crowd pleasing fight that resulted in a standing ovation from the crowd. Stevenson was sluggish against Dimitri but once he turned up the gas, iced him in the fifth. Both those guys were ranked contenders.

    Think he's stopped perhaps two fighters at light heavy and one of them a nobody.


    That was a knockdown albeit a weak one. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfs6WE5Y9IY[/url]


    Timing is everything. Bernard Hopkins being 50 didn't hurt Kovalev either. ;)
     
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    You said you hate people here. There is a difference between hate and comedic value. :hi:
     
  15. mcvey

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    Moorer and Kovalev are both southpaw bangers,that's the connection:deal
    Nowhere have I said if he beats Stevenson he has a good chance against Moorer.

    Moorer has faced a much greater variety of styles than Kovalev including some serious punchers. Kovalev weathered Pascal's shots but the jury is still out as to whether he can take the artillery of a Stevenson Pascal has not proven himself to be a puncher at175lbs

    .Now I'm bored with your attempts at juvenile sarcasm .

    If you just want an argument for the sake of it find someone else,someone who likes conversing with ret*rds.