Michael Nunn vs Joe Calzaghe @ Super Middle

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    bailey,

    Ha!

    Bloated?

    Why do you always use that word?

    It was one of Joe's best camps. He made 175 much easier than 168.

    He didn't have to lose as much weight.

    Joe's 6ft, and his natural walking around weight was 14 stone.


    You think Joe would have beaten Toney in his prime, based on the fact that Toney struggled with Tiberi?


    You think that Joe would have beaten Roy in his prime, based on the fact that Joe beat him at almost 40?


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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    So having to lose ''at least six pounds in less than nine hours before the weigh-in'' isn't losing much weight? lol

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    How much weight did Roy had to shift and how long did he have to lose it after beating Ruiz? Like seven or eight months, right? lol
     
  3. Sweet Jones

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  4. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Racist little *****. Still pretending to be Korean, or have you created another ALT where you can pretend to be black?

    You're a genuine piece of sh*t.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Serge,

    if that's true, that's fine.

    I can only go on what I've heard Joe say in the past.

    But Bailey always likes to paint the picture, that Joe was always at a disadvantage and Roy wasn't.

    With regards to Roy's weight loss, no it wasn't 7 or 8 months.

    He kept his physique, in the hope of fighting another HW for huge money.

    He walked away from a Corrie Sanders deal in Aug of 2003, and took the Tarver fight sometime between Aug/Sept, after Murad Muhammad and Don King had failed failed to negotiate with Evander Holyfield and his attorney Jim Thomas.

    Roy also burnt muscle and not fat.
     
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm just playing mate. I just find it peculiar how all the adversity Joe had to contend with in his career always gets glossed over, downplayed or most of the time completely ignored. Especially considering he had way more than his fair share of it, stemming back from his days as a teenage amateur right up until the very end.

    If Roy had to shift the amount of weight Joe did in that short space of time we'd never hear the end of it. But with Joe all the adversity, way below par performances due to injury (which actually did his career way more harm than good both over here and in the US) or inactivity and problems in his personal life etc., weight making difficulties, and a whole heap more, always fails to get mentioned, but oddly enough it's a completely different story for pretty much all of the opponents he faced. lol

    By the way, Roy dodged a real bullet when the Sanders' fight failed to materialize. Sanders is a big favourite of mine and he would've knocked Roy into Bolivian in quick, devastating highlight reel fashion. That's not a knock on Roy though, Sanders is just a terrible match up for him, IMO.:good
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'd be interested in seeing you try and back that up with some proof. I guess Joe must've sneaked the fastest butt in the history of butting, a butt that was even too speedy for the human eye or TV cameras to pick up, in between those three laser left hands he threw down the pipe, one of which ripped Roy's eye to shreds.

    As an aside. What do you think of this article I stumbled across a few years back? It's from a Nation of Islam blog. lol

    Hopkins v. Calzaghe: The Brit Fighter Makes It Racial


    Coming out of retirement for one more payday, Bernard Hopkins faces the undefeated Joe Calzaghe this weekend in what looks to be a pretty good match-up.

    Hopkins, at one time considered the best fighter on the planet, will take on not only his opponent; but Father Time, as well.

    Calzaghe, a fighter who has made his 'name' in the UK, brings an undefeated record wit his only win worth mentioning a shocking upset of an under-trained Jeff Lacy.

    Certainly, we are used to fight build ups that include outlandish comments and actions. That is nothing new. But, when the fight build up causes one fighter to start to make racially questionable and possibly divisive statements, we wonder what the world of boxing has degenerated into.

    Joe Calzaghe seemingly is relishing some of the words that came out of Bernard Hopkins mouth. Words that stirred controversy. Words that resulted from the sneaky tactics of the manipulative Calzaghe.

    Calzaghe took a very cavalier attitude towards the situation:

    "You call each other out, there's a bit of controversy," he said. "He done his little bit of controversy with his little white guy [comment], which I'm glad he said to be honest, because it created a lot publicity from that."

    The comment to which Calzaghe refers?

    "I would never let a white boy beat me. Never."

    Certainly, the white slanted media will take every opportunity to spin this into Hopkins making uncouth racial remarks. It will paint Calzaghe as simply being a polite Briton, who just happened (through no action of his own) to be the recipient of a socially unacceptable sentiment. (Regardless of the truth in it)

    But, for the keener eye. For the mind that understands exactly how the white media uses race and truth against the Original fighter. For that mind, the reality is clear.

    Calzaghe wanted more money. Calzaghe, who is a virtual no name in the US, wanted to pick the pocket of one of the greatest champions of all time.

    Hopkins wanted to fight. Hopkins didn't want Calzaghe to have an out.

    Even with a 50-50 purse split, Hopkins could tell by Calzaghe's actions and words that the fight might still not be made.

    "It came together for him because I pressured him and I said the things I said where he couldn't back out of the fight," Hopkins said of his racial comments. "He had to sign the contract after that. They tried to weasel out of everything so I gave them 50-50. I didn't have to do that. I had the leverage. If Roy Jones was in my position, he would have never gave him 50-50. The fight would have never happened."

    Hopkins was forced into a position to throw down the gauntlet.

    Don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that there was any racist sentiment behind the remark.

    Don't allow the manipulative Calzaghe to distract you from his attempts to hi-jack the proceeds from the fight.

    Don't fall victim to the mainstream media's attempts to play the race card and turn you against Hopkins.

    Do watch the fight.

    Hopkins later added, "You can print that. I would never lose to a white person."

    And that ain't racist.

    It's righteous.
     
  8. Loudon

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    Serge,

    I think both guys get disrespected.

    But also, maybe a lot of guys aren't aware of the things that you know.

    Joe did have a lot of injuries and out of ring problems, that do need taking into consideration.

    Roy burnt muscle against Tarver, which also gets overlooked.

    Yes, he didn't want to be messing with a big, hard hitting southpaw HW at almost 35. It definitely would have been a bad match up for him. I'd have to check, but I think $10m was on the table, and he wanted double the amount, because he'd made $15m + against Ruiz.

    That's why he ended up fighting Tarver. People said that he was greedy. But a near 35 year old LHW, who'd fought 50 times, would want ridiculous money to stay at HW. So I can't really criticise him for that. I just wished he'd gone up a bit earlier.
     
  9. Sinew

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    Michael Nunn wins . Probably knock him out.
     
  10. Mind Reader

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    :rofl:lol:
     
  11. HerolGee

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    joe spent his lifetime at smw yet Calzaghe revisionsts are trying to make out that joe was having a hard tmie DROPPING WEIGHT to fall to LHW.

    Calzaghe fanboys are lost in their own world.

    Its Joes responsibility to make LHW and it should have been easy for him as a lifetime SMW. If he made it difficult for himself it was down to his incompetence as a pro boxer - you are simply making out that he was less able and less of a boxer. Noone made him eat the pies.
     
  12. TheVrominator

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    Same thing goes for Calzaghe. His "big" wins were 39 years old-as-hell Roy Jones and 40+ Bernard Hopkins. Nunn had more game than Calzaghe and Joe isn't a big enough puncher to trouble Nunn's imperfect chin. Nunn UD.
     
  13. bailey

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    You see Loudon, once again you posted from opinion and not fact.
    The scene that Serge shows, I watched live and knew and I think even mentioned to you before.
    This is why you get schooled

    Im glad you found that, as I had looked for it before. Well done
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Please answer the questions below
    I noted how people would duck the questions and you did just that :lol::patsch:oops::yep.
    Same thing doesnt go for Calzaghe at all. The fight is I guess at SMW or LHW and Calzaghe has a far superior resume to Nunn in both those divisions. A fighter who at SMW beats all these top 10 SMWs who either had been, were, or became SMW champs speaks highly - Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell, Bika, Lacy, Kessler.
    What did Nunn do at SMW and LHW?

    Now do try and answer

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    How do you pick Nunn when he lost at SMW to a 21-13-2 fighter at SMW?

    What were Nunns big SMW wins?

    What were Nunns big wins in any division where it wasnt a fighter who had come up from a lower weight?

    Why do you pick Nunn when looking at the form line below in that Nunn
    - lost to Toney who lost to Jones who Calzaghe beat
    - lost to Rocchigiani who lost to Eubank who Calzaghe beat
    - lost to Liles who lost to Mitchell who Calzaghe beat
    - lost to 21-13-2 Little who lost to Liles who lost to Mitchell who Calzaghe beat ???

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  15. Loudon

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    I'm only telling you what I've heard Joe say in the past.

    What about the Hopkins fight?

    Was he bloated for that also?

    You always like to claim that Joe was at a big disadvantage, just to make any win look better than it actually was.

    He'd still got more advantages than Roy going into the fight, which is why he was the favourite.