Michael Nunn

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  1. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've been going back and watching some of Nunn's fights. Obviously he pitched his career and life away with drug use/dealing and not being able to stay off the streets, but dang if he wasn't maybe one of the most purely talented fighters of all time.

    His style really reminds me of Ali in a 160 pound body, incredible footwork, catlike reflexes, and this sixth sense radar that him slip or turn away from shots in matrix-like manner. Great performances against Tate to win the title, Roldan, Barkley, and Kalambay. I believe his lifestyle was catching up with him by the Starling fight, yet his fight with him and then with Curry were good. Was outboxing Toney until he got pancaked. After that his decline was rapid, even still he showed skills at 168 in good fights with Liles and Little.

    If he only could have stayed focused, both in the ring and out, oh what could have been. He was so good he'd often get bored in the ring and languish on the inside, almost disdainfully taking punches then flurrying. Just incredible talent and those early fights are worth watching if you like pure boxing and wizardly defensive skills.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think his weightmaking problem gets downplayed when considering his losses to Toney & Little and maybe a few more of his lesser performances.
    You forgot to mention Merqui Sosa @ 168 .
    It also seems to me as if Victor Cordoba whom Nunn outpointed to win his 168 title had a weight problem himself by then.
    Also does anybody know if the Rochigiani "loss" was really a loss ? as it was a SD in germany ..
     
  3. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nunn gets underrated while Kalambay gets overrated , they're really on par with each other . I consider Nunn the better MW , while P4P they are closer .
     
  4. atberry

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    That makes little sense.
     
  5. atberry

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    Nunn was probably the smoothest, most flowing fighter there was. Many were hailing him lb4lb the best boxer on the planet in '88, and unbeatable.

    He became gradually more and more flat-footed after the 80s, for some reason. He was a coke addict by 1990, probably.

    I like his body punching performance against Crawford Ashley, though, real rib-crunching shots.
     
  6. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who knows how things would have turned out for Nunn if he got the big fight with Leonard after he beat Kalambay. It nearly happened by Ray balked. I think Nunn got frustrated with his career after that and his performances started to suffer from his boredom against lesser opponents while his lifestyle went out of control.

    If he had fought and beat Leonard (as I think he would have) he may have become the superstar he seemed destined to be. Who knows.
     
  7. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, I think that's true about the weight. He was drained against Toney but you have to figure Toney was also drained, so it evened out. He did have to lose 7 pounds in a couple hours against Sosa and still dominated him. No controversy in that decision.

    The Rochigiani fight is on youtube, I've never watched and scored it, maybe in the next couple days. I do remember the scoring being controversial at the time.
     
  8. TBooze

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    Absolutely brilliant for a period, he had the boxing world at his feet, them came the dreadful Barkley fight, and he never recovered. I witnessed the Little fight live, it was so sad, and yet with hindsight, that was the least of his problems...
     
  9. Bobo

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    well the Nunn - Rocchigiani fight was in Germany, Rocchigiani's birth place, and the crowd pretty much exploded after every punch he threw. Possibly could have had an affect on the scorecards, no? idk, but rocchigiani had a good high guard, probably blocking a lot of nunn's shots.
    edit: ref looked absolutely bias
     
  10. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whenever the topic of why Nunn "fell short" of genuine greatness comes up, the discussion almost inevitably centers on either drugs or weight-making. However, I always felt Nunn's biggest hinderence was the fact that he never really found a single style that he was most comfortable with. He could box and he could punch, but it seems like he could never really make up his mind as to which he wanted to focus on. Ultimately, he had a few very impressive performances where his power was sufficient to get the job done (ie: Roldan, Kalambay, Guthrie); but against opponents that he couldn't hurt, he either lost or was reduced to being an ugly, awkward stinker.
     
  11. zadfrak

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    My take on that was that he, or specifically the Goosens, were pressured into making him more viewer friendly. The powers that be at the networks did not like the crowds at his fights and wanted him much more aggressive. But that just was not his forte. He was the guy that put the Goosens on the map but at that time, but they did not have the clout to tell HBO they were not going to turn their guy into a more entertaining fighter. Just stay a masterful boxer and cutie pie.

    Nunn took a lot of heat on the way up and during those early title defenses for his slapping and safety first style. But he was almost impossible to hit. razoe sharp as well. The next thing you know, he's off his feet and is flatfooted slugging with Barkley. Not boxing and pecking away and turning him, but trying to back Iran up. And no longer as sharp.He was somewhat successful when he planted those feet but he became far more hittable. By the time of the Curry and especially the Roldan fight, he had the look of a guy ready to be taken. His great asset of punching while moving his feet was long gone and he was never ever a Nigel Benn slugger.

    I think some different management with more pull & his career is much different and he never takes that fork in the road.
     
  12. TBooze

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    You thought he looked ready for the taking against Roldan? I personally thought the Roldan fight, along with Tate and Kalambay was the peak of his career, as mentioned the Barkley fight was not pretty.

    To make matters worse, to then follow up with Starling (an awful match up) and Curry, again another bout with little for Nunn to gain, was simply dreadful matchmaking.
     
  13. redrooster

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    out of curiosity, what part of his fight with Nunn did Leonard balk about? do you know?

    becuz Nunn is not Ray Leonard's kind of fighter
     
  14. patscorpio

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    that little fight was such a lowlight....**** little dropped him and nearly took him out in the first round...there was no way he should've lost that fight
     
  15. emanuel_augustus

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    Well, he had a successful style, quick-moving counterpuncher, using his footwork and handspeed to outbox opponents. The Roldan fight was an all-around dominant performance, he wasn't fishing for a ko, just beating up an inferior fighter with his skill. The Kalambay knockout was a function of his incredible handspeed and timing, not raw power. He looked good against both Starling and Curry, two fighters who gave him stylistic problems.

    After that I think his style suffered because A. he lost discipline and didn't train and B. he lost discipline in the ring and refused to use his feet, often just going defensive with head movement and countering. After the Toney fight he never really used his lateral movement in the same way again. But, that was a function of other forces, not his ability to fight in a single style.