Michael Spinks @ heavyweight in the 60s and prior

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  1. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Spinks was a hell of a fighter. That said, pre-1960, he wouldn't have had quite the same body because the PED's weren't around for it. That's going to come off as a dis, but it's not- that was the era of heavyweight boxing Spinks was in, and they weren't illegal at that point. Boxing hadn't even banned them, so it wasn't cheating.

    I think he'd still have done some damage at HW before because he had the frame and style for some success.
     
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  2. superman1986

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    That could be a factor too. If Spinks freezes or forgets his tactics, it could be an early night.
     
  3. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He would done as well as Bob Foster against Frazier and Ali.
     
  4. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Great thread Spinks boxes very well and controlled distance very well actually one of the best technicians with an awkward style despite having leg problems he managed to adapt and box at the highest level. Who knows how much greater he might of actually been had his legs not slow him down? But yea, he'd most likely lose against an elite puncher that could crowd him like a Frazier or Marciano, but Spinks would definitely gain an early lead and even drop them early too. The Spinx Jinx was a thing of beauty and underrated. Spinks vs Walcott would have been FOTY between 2 great technicians. Walcott was a late bloomer and had his best years late in his career and like Spinks is definitely underrated. These 2 just happened to face 2 atg's at their best.
     
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    Walcott and Spinks would be a classic. To me, their styles sort of resemble. The beefed up Spinks was slightly larger than Walcott, but I still think Walcott would be the physically stronger man. I'd say that both had the power to hurt the other if they landed flush too many times. Although a pin point shot from Walcott could have put Spinks on ***** street. I think Walcott could have defeated the version of Holmes that Spinks defeated and stopped Cooney . I also think that Spinks could have done as well vs the version of Louis that Walcott fought. And that he'd have a roughly equal chance at beating Charles at heavyweight.
     
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  6. BoxingFanMike

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    Just listing for the fighters I can think of, some might not be champs, apologies.

    I see Frazier/Spinks looking a lot more like Frazier/Foster. Frazier and Qawi are quite different as fighters, and Frazier is actually a good stretch bigger.
    I see him losing to Louis, Marciano, even if he has his moments in the fight vs. Louis. I don't see him being competitive against Rocky, he would likely be battered.
    He could beat Max Baer if he avoided getting hit.
    Walcott would have a chance to stop him. Spinks could win this though. Schmeling, would be similar, both Max and Jersey Joe are very good boxers.
    Great fight potentially with Ezzard Charles, at LHW, neither are at their best at heavy ;-)
    Floyd Patterson is a much better fighter than the Liston fights indicate, and I see him beating Spinks most of the time, because he would be fast enough to get to him, and could hurt him. However, if they fought a trilogy, I could give Spinks one of them.
    Ingo is also more than capable of decapitating him, let's say a 50/50 chance.
    Liston I just don't see having problems with Spinks, even if the weights etc are similar, Sonny is a much broader and stronger man. He should be able to stop Spinks, I suppose there is an outside chance that if Spinks stays away, he might be able to eek out a decision, but I would be extremely surprised.
    Ali, the 60s version, decisions him comfortably.
    Ernie Terrell, Spinks on points, close.
    George Chuvalo, Spinks on points, comfortable.
    Jerry Quarry, probably Spinks on points, outside chance of Quarry being stopped on cuts, significant chance however that Quarry could catch him and stop him.
    Jimmy Ellis, Spinks, points.
     
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    With Patterson and Spinks, I think they could be so closely matched that something would have to break the tie and I think it really would depend on their weights. Quite frankly, Spinks at 175 lbs could be more than a match for Patterson at 182 lbs . Now if it's the 190ish lbs Patterson , I'd give him a better chance. A more or less 210 lbs Spinks I believe, would have a significant advantage over a barely 180 lbs Patterson of the late 50s.

    Ingo seemed too crude. I believe Spinks could have success avoiding Ingo's bingo and could beat Ingo to the punching. Spinks, to me, seemed more elusive than Patterson.

    Charles IMO would be more likely to beat Spinks at heavyweight than Patterson. Charles would have done better, I believe, against Liston than Patterson.

    Liston was stronger and harder hitting than Spinks, but Spinks was quicker of hand and foot and elusive. Liston is to be favored, but in a time machine, I wouldn't be surprised if Spinks won an upset decision.

    I believe Fraizer beats Spinks, but not being a 2 handed puncher, it seems to me that Spinks could have moved to avoid the left hook and utilized his reach to work behind the jab and hit with combinations. Although Fraizer would likely have caught up with him and stopped him. I just don't think it would have been immediately.

    Spinks vs Walcott and Schmeling could go either way.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali`s performance against Cleveland Williams was his greatest ever! Williams was a very well built heavy and Ali knocked him out, Ali`s accuracy and speed in that fight was incredible. If Ali caught Spinks with the same punches that knocked out Williams there`s no way Spinks would last. Ali was messing around before and during the 1st Cooper fight in the rematch he brought his weight down to 214lbs and was quicker that at any stage of his career, Spinks would have had a bad time against that Ali. It`s a shame Ali couldn`t come down to the exact same weight as Spinks because then he would have toyed with him! Would also like to see him and Charles figt at Charles heavy fighting weight. Also Spinks fighting at 182lbs against Paterson would have been awesome.
     
  9. mark ant

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    That`s a lot of hooks! But Marciano was actually better at cutting off distance to land his hook (with a quick shuffle) like Duran v Leonard in their first fight.
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Who?!
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Liston couldn`t cut off the ring though.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    How did Leon compare with Michael? Who punched harder?
     
  13. superman1986

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    Yeah it is. That's why I think Fraizer eventually gets to him and halts him.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Really? Former cruiserweight world champ Glenn McCrory sparred with Mike Tyson and he was crap! Don`t think Leon Spinks had really tough organised sparring! I was Leon`s bucket man for the 2nd Ali match and I`m 41!
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Marciano would have landed more he was better at cutting off the ring than Liston.
     
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