Michael Spinks vs Jack Dempsey

How does Dempsey last 5 rounds with a modern elite?:yep

Hell, wasn't he outboxed by the primitive Tunney?

 

Is Tunney still going to get messed up, by anybody on this forum after a couple of months training in modern boxing method?

 

He'll get messed up by any decent amatuer on this forum who is of equal size, and badly. The only reason I have modified it is because I said a solid year of boxing training, not a few months and for the fact that a fat boy who is afraid to get hit is going nowhere fast against anybody who even throws shots back.

Reggie Strickland for example, would **** Tunney up.

 

Aaaayyy!!!! :good

 

Very simple, because Spinks fought and beat better fighters than Tunney or Gibbons.

And i'm not cherry picking. I'm picking the opponents who were closest in class to Spinks, and undenyably these are Tunney and Gibbons, although Tunney is much closer than Gibbons. I've already taken into account that these fights happened later in Dempsey's career, although he was still champion and a mere 4 or 5 fights away from his peak!

 

4 or 5 years make a HUGE difference. It's not "mere". He was far from his peak when he fought Tunney. He was still in his prime when he fought Gibbons. The again Buster Douglas beat Tyson, and Spinks is better then Doug so it's not unreasonable Spinks would beat Tyson, yeah? Oscar Bonavena dropped Frazier twice and gave him a hard first fight, so it's not totally out of the question that Spinks beats him. Muhammad Ali had trouble with Doug Jones and Henry Cooper who were far from Spinks's class, so it's not totally unreasonable that Spinks beats him. Michael Moorer beat Holyfield so it is not unreasonable to think that Spinks beats him too.

 

I don't really see your comparison.

I compared Spinks with Gibbons and Tunney. All natural light heavyweights of which Spinks and Tunney are of similar class.

Buster Douglas was a 6'4 230lbs superheavyweight with skills, speed and stamina the night he beat the **** out of Tyson. How does that compare to a 6'0 180 matchstick? Bonavena is as different a fighter you'll get to Spinks and Frazier beat Bonavena handily in the rematch, something Dempsey didn't do against Tunney. Dito with Ali vs Cooper and Holyfield vs Moorer.

 

Three year lay off is a long time especially if you are not in shape during it and after it. Dempsey was a swarmer type and those types generally have shorter primes. 31 may not be that old but when you have not fought in three years and come back directly to fight a talent like Tunney, then your chances of winning are pretty slim. I really don't see Tunney beating Dempsey at his peak. He was just someone with good power and heart, but the speed, reflexes and even stamina had declined so i really don't see using the Tunney fights as an example to judge how Dempsey does in his prime.

 

Inactivity was a reason why he eroded faster

Leonard is one of the few exceptions- then again he faced an eroded Hagler- Dempsey faced a Tunney who was pretty much at his peak