Michael Spinks vs Leon Spinks

You know Comp-U-Box (and Sho Stats, and all the other iterations of that concept) are essentially just guys sitting there clicking handheld tally-counters, right? There is no technologically advanced marvel behind the #s they show you on TV broadcasts, in case you were assuming there were some expensive robot doing visual scans and crunching the optical data into numerical form. They're just people, counting, and thus subject to human error and not the least bit infallible.

There is really nothing stopping anyone from undertaking the arduous task of watching Spinks vs. Ali I - or any other contest filmed in its entirety - and doing exactly what the Comp-U-Box guys do and posting their findings as an equally valid reference for other fans.

 

You know its true, dont deny it.

 

I feel like I'm talking to Derek Zoolander.

"Yes, Derek, I'm aware that punch stats aren't compiled by robots."

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

 

Yes, he did.

Leon Spinks was a hopeless drunk and drug abuser at that point.

The Leon Spinks who beat Ali was Leon at his best.

A day or two before the Leon Spinks-Qawi fight, Rock Newman (who worked with Qawi) was up at 5 a.m. to follow Qawi on his morning run. Newman saw Spinks walking into the hotel/casino, at the same time, and at first Newman thought Leon was just getting back from running already - he was so disheveled. But Spinks walked past Newman and he stunk of booze. He hadn't been running, he'd just been out all night and was just getting in. Then Leon went to a table in the casino and started hitting on the female dealers. Later that night, Emanuel Steward (who didn't help Leon at all), went to Leon's room and was shocked (and Steward handled a lot of rough fighters) what he found -- room destroyed, nude women, empty bottles everywhere. Leon ended up sitting in a sauna to make weight. And he failed the post-fight drug test, too.

He was a train wreck at that point.

 

You wish "they" had punchstats for Spinks vs. Ali I, yes? (Your words)

Whole footage of Spinks vs. Ali I exists, yes?

So you could theoretically if you really "wished" for it so bad have your own lazy ass count the punches, which is absolutely no different (unless you are too stupid to count) from "them" having extant stats to begin with, yes?

If you don't care enough and don't feel like doing it, fine, but you could easily have the stats (and share them for posterity) if you put in the work.

You could indeed prove, if so inclined, whether or not Leon did in fact log heavyweight records (at least stacked against recorded punch stats) and once another person corroborated your findings by sitting through and counting themselves - probably not something most people would be willing to do for just any old match, but with the question of statistical records on the line you very well might find interested parties - it would be no less valid a record than any stats in official use.

 

Yes, I wish they had punchstats for that fight and all the other heavyweight fights. Because I don't feel like sitting down for hours watching the fight for the thousandth time and counting each punch thrown by each fighter and trying to determine if it landed cleanly or not. And then tallying the results ... and then realizing none of it mattered anyway because they didn't tally other 15-round fights where a lot of punches were thrown in boxing history -- like Holmes-Norton a few months later.

Quit being a dick. It was a throw-away line. Jesus Christ. Do you have nothing to add at all to this discussion?

I'm done with you.

 

Sure, you could dismiss what you said as having been been a throwaway line, but for you sneaking in this boast on Leon's behalf...
"Leon would probably hold the heavyweight record for punches thrown and landed to this day."

That's some claim. If you want to put something like that out there don't be surprised when called upon to substantiate it, which is well within your power. You chose to say that of a wholly filmed bout that could - yes, in a tedious chore but nothing that ordinarily doesn't go into painstaking record keeping and fact checking - rather easily be shown to verify or disprove your claim, at least as compared with official records as they stand.

That you readily acknowledge (in the same breath as disavowing any responsibility to substantiate your claim) that other contemporary HW 15 rounders - even citing examples - let alone the entirety of those filmed in the sport's history, feature performances that could well rival or exceed Leon's output and thus invalidate your claim and render the exercise of counting his punches moot - calls into question why you would even make such a claim in the first place. Answer: because you thought it wouldn't be challenged, and now that it has been you abandon rather than fortify your position.

So my contribution here is pretty much to illustrate that you are full of **** and spouting hyperbole at random, not truly believing yourself in what you're saying.

 

Yes, I could substantiate it if I spent the remainder of my life watching every heavyweight fight in history and counting all the punches.

You're absolutely correct. That's certainly well within my power. I'll get right on that.

I spent days trying to come up with the perfect lie, luckily you saw through my grand conspiracy. I secretly "hoped" no one would "call me" on it.

My sincere apologies. :good

(What a dick.)

 

Not every heavyweight title fight - just those wherein you claim one man "would probably set heavyweight records" if only for those darn missing stats (which, you know, are so unattainable - because there is such a huge difference between someone counting the punches on the night and someone counting the exact same punches years later...)