Mickey Walker vs Dick Tiger @ 160 lbs,winner

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by burt bienstock, Apr 11, 2010.


  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hear that Walker was forced to "carry" Hudkins, which is why he went for a points win. No question though that Hudkins's strength was bothering him, and even more so in their first fight.
     
  2. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes I did. I felt the original film wasn't clear enough.
     
  3. McGrain

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    That's very interesting. Any idea who did the forcing? And is there a decent source on this one, or is it a spoken rumour?
     
  4. McGrain

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    Have you done this with anything else? It really does make the difference, especially in picking out shots like the counter-uppercut.
     
  5. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Previous to the second fight there were fears that it would be a fix because Jack Kearns, Walker's manager, also had a contract to manage Ace Hudkins, Walker's opponent. The fight was not a fix but I've read that Walker "carried" Hudkins in order to not make him look bad.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,738009,00.html
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've done it with some isolated incidents such as Tunney's KO of Carpentier, LaMotta's knockdown against Nardico, highlights of old time fighters like Jack Johnson but not another fight other than Walker-Hudkins II.

    If you have any suggestions then I may attempt to do the same with other fights.
     
  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Out of everyone who fought Tiger 'in the trenches' who did you think competed the best?

    I would be inclined to think Hank myself, and he did so by some nive head movement and defensive footwork. Do you think Walker could do this? He also had a superior offence to Hank.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I'll think on that!

    Emile Griffith did very well in there with him, for the short spells he chose to get involved. If we're talking about Tiger at his best, i'd go for Hank, yeah. I wouldn't bet on Walker to out-box Tiger though, no. He might, but that wouldn't be my wager.
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Aint seen the first Griffith bout, so cannot comment.

    I don't think Hank was boxing Tiger he was mostly just throwing in defensive manuevers whilst in the trenches, and looking to keep Tiger off with sharp counter-punches then falling back into trading.
     
  10. Duodenum

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    Thank you much. I think it does help illuminate how Walker could have dealt with Tiger's style. Walker-Hudkins II reveals qualities in Mickey we might not credit him with at all if that one had not been filmed.

    Regarding Walker carrying opponents, he was very candid about having done this in his autobiography, so I don't find it to be any kind of stretch that he may have done this with Ace the second time around.

    Hudkins himself was strong enough to drop King Levinski twice and decision him handily less than two years later. Like Walker, he proved he could play with quality heavyweights. At 6'1," and 205 pounds, 22(13)-4-1 Dynamite Jackson was no pushover either, and Hudkins outscored Jackson for his final career win.
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ace Hudkins was described by William Muldoon as a "brutish animal not fit for civilization". Tough as nails was Hudkins...And no small feat for Mickey Walker to lick him twice...Ace Hudkins was feared by his peers in the roaring twenties...
    I'll say this again if Mickey Walker could handle Such powerfrul men as Uzcudun, Risko, Bearcat Wright, the powerful ox Paul Berlenbach,Jack Sharkey etc,logic dictates he was when needed, strong enough to not be bullied by the 160 pound Dick Tiger...
    Would Dick Tiger successfully handle the big opponents of Walker ?Not so say I....
    Observe what happened in the fight with Bob Foster, for example...Mickey Walker was in the top 7 greatest middleweights of all time...
     
  12. McGrain

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    Mickey Walker is great than Dick Tiger, and Mickey Walker fought at higher weights than Dick Tiger, but neither one of these is any kind of reason, on it's own, to pick Walker over Dick Tiger, and the weight of evidence seems to indicate that Tiger was the stronger man.
     
  13. Duodenum

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    Duran competed very well with Hagler, and that may have been the situation where Marv made the most use of superior physical strength and size. (I don't believe Hagler was as strong as his muscularity might lead one to believe, but he certainly measured up to his appearance in the Duran fight.) Barkley was a monster compared to Duran. The Toy Bulldog was naturally bigger than Duran, and otherwise measures up well with El Cholo in many respects.

    Burt's mention of Paul Berlenbach deserves more consideration also. The Astoria Assassin is the only member of the IBHOF with an Olympic Gold Medal in wrestling, and Mickey dropped him twice in winning a decision, while conceding a weight pull of over a dozen pounds. This scenario does not entail such a weight advantage for either Walker or Tiger.