Mid- 2000s to present 135 pound tournament

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  1. pernellaaron

    pernellaaron Active Member Full Member

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    Who wins and how (winner of match A fights winner of match B and so on). All primes of course
    Match A: Castillo vs Lomanchenko
    Match B: Casamayor vs Crawford
    Match C: Mikey G vs Marquez
    Match D: Corrales vs Linares

    P.S. Mayweather was left out to avoid this devolving into a May- Pac type of thread
     
  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A whole bunch of interesting matches though a tough one for the current generation. Crawford has the easiest route, and even that's a competitive fight vs. prime Casamayor. Marquez walks through Mikey's high level but straightforward boxing, Corrales has too much power for Chinares, and Castillo is pure rocky horror picture show for Loma's style. The JLC that could be 1-1 vs. Floyd swarms Loma three times more than old Salido could, and Ovachaneko can't really handle ppl. up his face, which is why he's been avoiding the kind of style since. JLC was murderous in those years and would spark Salido as well.

    Castillo WUD Lomachenko
    Crawford WUD Casamayor
    Marquez WUD Mikey
    Corrales WTKO Linares

    Crawford SD Castillo
    Marquez UD Corrales

    Marquez - Crawford - there's an interesting one. The one to ever dominate JMM was Floyd and Crawford is similarly crafty. May not replicate the exact slick style but has plenty of tricks up his sleeve, switch hitting included and was huge at 135, while JMM already out of his depth

    Crawford UD Marquez
     
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  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did I win?
     
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  4. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao what delusion, Castillo Wide UD vs Loma, are u having a laugh? Oh and then Crawford UD Marquez lmao
     
  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great counter-arguments.
     
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  6. pernellaaron

    pernellaaron Active Member Full Member

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    I'll take Loma to out point Castillo over 12, I want to believe he has learned from his 2nd professional fight and improved.
    Crawford I'll take over Casamayor by decision.
    Corrales stops Linares past 7 while down on the cards.
    Marquez wins a close but clear decision over Garcia.
    Loma against Crawford damn I don't know. I'll give a slight edge to Crawford as the bigger man in a very tactical bout.
    Marquez vs Corrales- hide the kids this one is going to be brutal. I lean towards Marquez stopping Corrales late, he'll be landing hard counters all night. However Corrales will be on him all night and land a hell of a lot himself I'd say 30% chance of an upset KO.
    Crawford vs Marquez is tough. Marquez has struggled at times with slick boxers but Crawford throws very wide when he is lefthanded and Marquez is a southpaw killer. I'll edge the all time great Marquez to win a decision that could go either way.
     
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  7. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Crawford isn't proven enough to even be put in the same breath as JMM, his chin is suspect and JMM would knock him out especially that Crawford would be a good style for him, Crawford struggled with Gamboa for Gods sake and you think he would beat JMM. Lomachenko losing to Salido meaning Loma struggles vs pressure fighters biggest pile of drivel I ever heard, the guy was in his 3rd pro fight and fought a rugged and dirty boxer, somethign you don't experience in amateurs, this taught him the pro game, of course when your opponent lands over 80 low blows in a fight it will be hard no matter what, in like 35 interviews he said he wasn't prepared for this sort of opponent and this loss taught him more than any other fight, Lomachenko is one of the best inside fighters in the world so trust me if prime Salido time travels to today and fights Loma, Vasyl would KO him inside 10 rounds. Castillo has nothing to beat Lomachenko, his biggest achievement is beating a one handed Mayweather. Lomachenko would beat him 9-3 or 10-2, as a pressure fighter you will always win some rounds here and there.
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    U ppl r odd sheep and Crawford's trashing is on this year's menu. Gamboa was borderline P4P & definite P4P puncher, Crawford didn't struggle, he got tagged good, adopted and Gamboa'd Gamboa. Burns was top dawg & Bud dominated in the UK. Postol stopped Matthysse and was the top dawg not named Crawford, got shut down, history was made vs. Indongo.

    At the minimum Horn offered a physical challenge throwing Pac around like a rag doll, and it's not really the resume but that fact that Bud out muscled him & everyone else which is my key point. He was a weight bully down at LW and JMM was a natural FW/SFW. Pissman's best wins above were against fellow travelers (Pac, Casamayor), and Floyd didn't just outbox him, he badly beat him up, feather fists Bradley threw him around and Juan No Punch Diaz bloodied his face. Crawford weights more and punchers harder than those guys.

    JMM is ATG and one of my ATF, but he's just damn small here, and that's the biggest disadvantage anyone has in this hatch. Skills? About even, say JMM takes this (but really? see defensive deficiencies), but he never liked those slick black Americans who are very hard to time. Power? Crawford bulked up for fight night? C'mon, you the answer. Stamina? Never struggle here. Roughouseing? I'll take Bud in a wrestling type match. Speed? JMM by a hair, but lost some speed at 135.

    Crawford is just all wrong for him, skills and style to bring it up close and physical, power and switch hitting, ability to finished bloodied fighters and JMM face is a mess in every significant fight above 130. JMM's resume trashes Bud's but we're not talking about that but an actual fight where Crawford has just too much of too many things to win a competitive UD, and that's a pretty god damn solid prediction mate. Also, go watch some prime Castillo.
     
  9. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Lomachenko UD JLC
    JMM KO Mikey
    Crawford KO Casamayor
    Castillo KO Linares

    There are really no other outcomes in these fantasy matchups.
     
  10. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Interesting thread. Winners in red

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    Match C: Mikey G vs
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  11. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Match A: Castillo vs Lomanchenko (close)
    Match B: Casamayor vs Crawford
    Match C: Mikey G vs Marquez
    Match D: Corrales vs Linares


    Lomachenko vs Crawford (Crawford wasn't at his best at 135, still drained)
    Marquez vs Corrales

    Lomachenko vs Marquez (Loma does what Manny could not, and outboxes Marquez).
     
  12. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    you were doing so well up til the end ;)
     
  13. pernellaaron

    pernellaaron Active Member Full Member

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    Juan Diaz was one of my favorite fighters back in his prime. I remember being crushed when Campbell gave him his first loss. I thought about adding him to the list but feel he wasn't the same head to head threat that some of the others were. Probably should have put Freitas over Casamayor and not adding Guzman was my own ignorance of not seeing him fight.
     
  14. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    all tight fights

    id take linares out and put in Juan Diaz who actually unified

    I never gave Mikey his due after quitting vs salido and doing a disappearing act I think Marquez would have a great shot

    I used to be a huge casa fan so I'm biased

    I think Castillo could beat Loma too I feel that's 50 50 I guess I slightly favor Loma

    I was never supremely high on Corrales but I think HBO put linares on a pedestal he hadn't actually reached
     
  15. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Don't worry about who you forgot or didnt add, you picked a good interesting selection

    Casa is a much better choice than Freitas

    You didnt see Guzman? Neither did a lot of people. Total wasted career

    Juan Diaz was great, but was never the same following the Marquez war, which is what a lot of people remember him for. Prime Diaz would have made an interesting addition for sure

    Castillo would beat several of the guys on the list, but has the misfortune of drawing Lomachenko

    It would really boil down to Marquez or Lomachenko. A prime ATG at 135 is probably a bridge to far for the smaller Loma, though Loma's such a special talent you couldnt count him out