Middle vs heavy match up of the week. Johnson vs Greb

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Assume Greb is a super middle ( 168 pounds on weigh in ) , and Johnson is between 190-205. The conditions of the fight and rules are thus. 15 rounds. 22 x 22 ring.
     
  2. Vano-Irons

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    I've always said that Jack beats most people smaller than him, and i'm going to stand by that. I think the naturally larger Johnson wears the great Greb down with his uppercuts on the inside. While Greb was the greatest fighter of all time for me, Jack was too big for him. He had an awesome chin apparently, so I would say he lasts the distance. I also dont think he knocks a prime Johnson out.

    Johnson by wide-ish decision after a few problems with greb's speed
     
  3. Vantage_West

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    vitali is the greatest heavyweight of all time
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Johnson lost to smaller men though. One point to ponder is Greb beat a few of the guys that Dempsey fought, and to be truthfully sometimes had an easier time doing it.

    If Tunney could not stop Greb in 5 mataches, I doubt Johnson could.

    Johnson had trouble with a speedy and much lighter Jack O'brien. Opinions varry as who was the better in six round match, though more lean toward O'Brien. How does this factor in here? Johnson himself called Greb the fastest fighter he ever saw.
     
  5. Vano-Irons

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    Wasnt Johnson seriously hungover against O'Brian? Tht was surely a factor in his perfomance. But you are right on one thing, Johnson doesnt stop Greb.

    Johnson did lose to a few smaller men, but not very often. McVea, Langford, Jeanette, Ketchell and old Fitzsimmons. These were all fine boxers.

    I have no doubt Greb's speed gives hi problems. But i think he spoils a lot, keeps it up close, and outworks his man on the inside.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Johnson has good form against Ketchel and Langford in this bracket. Greb said Tunney at 185lbs was now too big for him and Johnson was 210lbs at his best, more than 40lbs heavier than Greb. Johnson was also great at using his size to bully smaller men, leaning on them, twisting their arms and using his powerful uppercut. Without seeing Greb who knows but the smart money is on JJ
     
  7. McGrain

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    I would pick Johnson to stop Greb or close to it in 15 rounds.
     
  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack Johnson, and I don't think it would be too hard.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The version of Johnson that beat Langford was 185. Who worth a **** did he ever beat at 210? That pathetic shell of fighter Jeffries? I still contend the provably best version of Johnson is at 185-190.

    That said, would someone analyze the role that pinching will assume in this fight?
     
  10. mcvey

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    ONE, Choynski and there was little between them for weight, unlike when Jeffries could only draw with Choynski ,despite a huge 63lbs weight advantage. More do NOT lean toward O Brien , produce them .
     
  11. KuRuPT

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    So... who wins then buddy?
     
  12. mcvey

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    I wonder how Greb would do against the 156lbs, 23 years old, 51 fight Langford that Johnson knocked down twice,once for a long 9 count ,breaking his nose ,and cutting his eye ?

    How would Greb do against the 205.5lbs Johnson that toyed with Ketchel?

    How would Greb do against the 170lbs Ketchel that Johnson kod for several minutes?:think


    Johnson battered the **** out of Burns, flooring him three times, he dropped Langford twice, and brutalised him.


    He played with Ketchel picking him up when he hurt him inadvertantly, sending him into dream- land when he got ambitious.

    All three of these victims hit a ton harder than Harry.

    All three of them would be a hard night's work for Harry.

    Which 200lbs +, top heavyweight did Greb ever beat?
    Why would Johnson not beat Greb? :patsch
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    If you take the very best version of johnson (the version that battered jeffries) and pit him against the best version of greb (the version that beat tunney in the first, imho) and you have absolutely got to favour johnson to prevail.
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Jack Johnson disagrees with you and considered 210 his best weight
     
  15. mcvey

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    :good:good:good