Middleweight Fantasy King of the Hill 5/12- Hopkins vs Marshall

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What's the outcome?

Poll closed May 30, 2026.
  1. Hopkins by Decision

    62.5%
  2. Hopkins by Stoppage

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Marshall by Stoppage

    6.3%
  4. Marshall by Decision

    31.3%
  1. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    After retaining his title in a controversial draw with Michael Nunn, Hopkins now faces Lloyd Marshall in his fourth defense of his boxing forum 24 title.

    12 rounds
    160 lbs.
    modern rule set
     
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  2. Rubber Glove Sandwich

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  3. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you taking the early career version of Marshall who actually weighed within 160lbs, or the prime version who was typically mid to high 160's, on the basis that the day before weigh ins of Hopkins era, would likely mean he would be able to make MW?
     
  4. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Not to get too often topic but that Hopkins highlight has a clip of Hopkins saying "If Lebron plays until he's 40 something he becomes the next alien." is interesting.

    A second alien has hit the sporting world.
     
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  5. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Good question! I think because this is a modern ruleset it seems more fair if it's the latter than the former.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    So: looking at their records, I think Marshall is a little inconsistent to be relaibly picked against Hopkins. That said, looking at the footage, Marshall is one slippery SOB who makes it hard for his opponents to land clean on him, and who seems to have a decent amount of power himself.

    I'll pick Hopkins on record, but I think stylistically Marshall is going to be a significant challenge to Hopkins. Kind of like Hopkins vs Calzaghe. Calzaghe won, but he looked like **** in doing so. Hopkins wins, but looks poor in the win.
     
  7. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    I'm voting Marshall by stoppage, because Marshall certainly could... Hopkins is losing either way, I'm guessing.

    However, because there usually is a 'however', Hopkins would have been seen & competing as a L-HW cum HW in Marshall's era, that maybe suggest Hopkins being a bit too big - Height & Weight wise, bringing in a 'spoilers' victory, which he, Hopkins, is more at home in perpetrating.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    The temptation here is to assign Marshall a stylistic advantage and it's true that he might have one. He was fast and unpredictable, with the size to trouble Hopkins, and punching power enough to keep him honest and more. The thing is though, technically gifted fighters with good methods of controlling the pace of a fight did trouble Marshall very seriously. It sounds like Bivins was cake for Marshall early, then Marshall deployed a body-attack and took over, rolled his way home. Jack Chase made unconventional angles, aggressive punching and rate control to beat Marshall to go 1-1-1 in a series and seemed always to finish the stronger, once he had placed Marshall under control.

    I'd pick Hopkins to put Marshall under his control.

    The twelve round distance does make things difficult to conjure with though. Fifteen might be what Hopkins needs - still, i'll pick Hopkins to get body attack, angles, and ring control put together early enough, in combination with the rules, which obviously favour him, to get home. Marshall often dropped opponents early before these guys got him in hand and he's not dropping, or meaningfully hurting, a prime Bernard in round 2. SD Hopkins.
     
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  9. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    No one has done this in the thread yet but if you express your opinion in the thread, please make sure to vote as well. Nunn technically should've beat Hopkins but a poster who gave reasoning for why he should win, forgot to vote for him. I spent awhile trying to decide if that should count as a vote and ended up concluding that for votes to count, they have to actually be votes. So make sure you vote!
     
  10. mcvey

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    How do you evaluate the record of a mob controlled fighter who was sometimes forced to do business ?
     
  11. McGrain

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    The same way you evaluate any fighter, really.
     
  12. McCallumsJab

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    Marshall has some great wins over Charles and Burley but Hopkins dominance, foundamentals, stamina, consistency and lack of mistakes means I have to strongly lean towards him winning. I mentioned stamina, the Hopkins in his 20s and 30s was a machine with his workrate. While he was still elite in his 40s he had to find ways to fight at a slower pace or steal a breath here or there.
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    But all fighters aren't wearing handcuffs in some of their fights.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I know that. So the alternative is to say "i have gathered information on this fighter but because I don't know if it is authentic or not i can't apply it to the match, therefore I'm not making a pick."

    That sounds like no fun for the thread.
     
  15. mcvey

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    I've made a pick ,Marshall by dec,I was really referring to those talking about Marshall's losses. Marshall would have been Lhvy champ if he could have gotten Lesnevich into a ring ,and he beat up Mills his successor.I admit I'm not high on Hopkins,I find him a boringly cynical fighter,but I do admire his dedication to his craft ,and his longevity.