Middleweight Tournament: Quarter Final Rpy Jones Jr. vs Carlos Monzon

The key to beating a prime Jones is obviously strategy.

What people should be asking is "what strategy would Monzon bring to this fight?"

 

Well i think Powerpuncher makes good points personally. What McGrain is saying about us noly being able to use what Jones actually did at this weight to analyse the match up does hold water as well.

I can see Jones clearly being too fast for him, especially out of the traps, but it's just that i don't see it phasing Monzon in a really terrible way, in terms of hurting him i mean, Monzon was a cold man. And i know people will say Jones wouldn't need to hurt him, just outboxing him would be enough, but Jones liked to land peek a boo bombs, sometimes that was his game. And it wouldn't be like Hopkins coming at him the way he did, Monzon wouldn't be solely aggressing, the man would like to land stiff counters and establish a jab. I think by the time it gets to fifteen rounds it would probably come down to the wire.

There is no wrong answer here in my opinion, if people want to pick Jones, i understand that fully, but i would be hoping it wouldn't go that way to be perfectly honest. Monzon for me (haha, know you'll think bias, but it isn't), there's a constant jab being put to use, and the fact that an indomittable will to win is constantly present on the side of the Argentine. Not sure how much his counters would figure, but they'd do some scoring. Vernon Forrest once stated that the key to beating a very fast fighter is a jab.

 

roy was not in his prime at his 160 days and in his prime he couldn't make 160. he should have been in a 175 or/and 168 tourney , that's not his place. therefore i'd have to go with monzon - he had much more experience. roy at 160 looked flashy only against medicore and slightly more at best oposition. at 168 and above - i think roy was better.

 

I think Monzon was too strong at 160....at 175 may be a different story...Carlos puts on the pressure...Roy has his moments but Carlos puts Roy on the defensive with his aggresive attempt to attack ...Carlos wins UD or late stop if he can pin Jones down.

 

Monzon should win somewhere late in the fight I imagine with smart pressure. He has the style, size, skill, and power to overcome anything Roy would do.

 

Has nothing to do with Monzon's size or ability to knock Jones out, which is being overrated. But then so is Jones in general. He wasn't untouchable.

This is about Monzon being rough and tough, smarter, and more athletic than the rememberers of Valdez II are assuming. The Monzon of 1970 wouldn't struggle to keep up with Jones; he'd probably be outsped on numerous occasions but he'd also catch Jones with plenty of stone cold jabs.

Speed doesn't outweigh intelligence, and although Jones was one of the quickest, Monzon was one of the smartest. They don't say his timing was unparalleled for no reason - I'm sure with his 'slow hands' he could still catch a fly in mid-air.

Jones was a phenomenon, but you'd need something a lot more reliable than that to take out a genuine middleweight king. Monzon, unlike Jones or Whitaker, wasn't one of those fighters who went out there to fight a perfect round every time. Like Carlos Ortiz and Roberto Duran, Monzon would fight only as hard as he had to. If he needed to turn up the heat, he would.

And against Jones, encountering problems, you can bet Monzon would step up into gear around the fourth round and gradually take control of the fight. He wouldn't need a knockout.

Monzon UD15.

 

Once again, Manassa is on point. Monzon would more than likely look to make this a rough affair in order to gain the advantage and take Jones out of his comfort zone. I have little doubts that over 15 rounds he would eventually start to take over with this strategy. Very close fight on the cards, though most likely. Over 12 I could see Jones holding on to a points win, but I probably wouldn't count on it.

 

Yeah I'm glad it's a fifteen round fight otherwise I'd be picking Jones. Actually I just wouldn't vote.

 

15 rds?

Monzon UD

Jones controls some of the early rounds, but Monzon takes over and wins a clear Decision.