Middleweight Tourney: Grp. A:1st rd. Jake LaMotta.Vs. Bennie Briscoe

Lamotta .

 

Im fairly certain most are going to pick Lamota for this one.

But I will say that the 10 heats make it fairly interesting..Over 15 is I think where Jake would really distinguish himself from Bennie.

Over 10 its a war of attrition that slowly builds in pace until the 9th and 10th the crowd is on their feet cheering from the nonstop action in close.

I got Jake because I think he is a class above Bennie, his more consistent output will see more rounds in his column..I think Bennie will be looking to win rounds with his bigger punches but Lamotta tends to negate this approach because he shows little reaction to punches that usually put fighters to sleep or at the very least have them in complete survival mode. Jake will earn his pay cheque for this one though..Bennie will push him all the way.

Lamotta wins..UD10.

 

Just to give this an alternative view. I think Briscoe can beat him over 10.

Briscoe I feel will match him in strength, in the trenches, and if anything will be able t push back Lamotta rather than vice-versa.

Also over 10 rounds I think Briscoe can out-work Lamotta who IMO is a 15 round fighter who slowly comes on, over 10 rounds I dont think Lamotta will have the time to really settle into his rythm.

As WaR says it would be a slowly building pace and I think Briscoe can pile up a lead with the harder punches and slightly better pace. As it goes on I think Lamotta has more and more sucess but runs out of time for Briscoe to take a very close decision.

 

Jake for me ,Briscoe was good, very good, Jake was a bit more than that .He was one of the few strong enough to hold his own inside with Briscoe and would just keep coming, he takes a dec.imo.

 

LaMotta is better, it's a straight fight and LaMotta is far more skilled. Briscoe might do a bit of boxing to pick shots at times but it's nothing LaMotta doesn't overcome imo, LaMotta on points

 

I gotta disagree with all of this. I don't think LaMotta needed time to get going. He beat Robinson over 10 rounds, was winning the early rounds of the 6th fight behind his underrated jab and constant workrate, beat up Cerdan right off the bat, etc. LaMotta got to business as soon as he got in the ring, same as Benny.

Also, why would Bennie be able to push Jake back more than vice-versa? I don't think any MW this side of possibly Tiger is out-muscling Jake. In my opinion, it's Jake's superior jab and punch economy that beats the brutish, punch winging style of Briscoe, whose best shots would likely be either slipped or caught on the arms/gloves of Jake. Power wouldn't be an issue here at all, given Jake's inhuman durability.

Just two different classes of fighter, as good a stylistic matchup as it may be for Bennie.

 

I think Lamotta's pressure, body work and pace takes its own after the tenth round rather than earlier IMO.

Also I think Briscoe is the stronger man, after all in the footage I have seen vs Monzon he pushes Monzon back and looks to be stronger.

 

Lamotta by demolition and dismantlement. Briscoe gets more mileage out of getting crushed by Monzon than my gran got out of her old Rover ****ing Metro. A perennial contender at best whose best win was over the glass-jawed Tony Mundine and who was decisively beaten pretty much every time he stepped up to anything remotely like world-class opposition isn't getting far with a certified ATG MW, especially not since he wades forward in robotically straight lines and blocks punches with his chin. For my money Lamotta completely outclasses him and emphatically stops him in the later rounds.

 

Monzon always fought on the backfoot against fighters of that ilk. Also, while Monzon was obviously strong, I wouldn't put him up there with the LaMotta's and Tiger's of the world. Valdez fought off the backfoot through strategy at times against Briscoe as well, but when he wanted to he held his own and then some in the strength regard.

You're vastly underrating LaMotta's strength, especially given the example you cited. Middleweights don't come any stronger.

In regards to your first paragraph, give examples if that's your theory, because from what I've seen that's pretty much ass backwards. Sounds more like the cliche'd analysis of the typical plodding pressure fighter than LaMotta specifically.

 

Looks like El B has taken PP's avatar criticisms to heart...

I shall reply to more of these threads tomorrow if I get a chance

 

Nobody's being stopped. You're underrating Briscoe worse than GPater's overrating him (or perhaps just underrating LaMotta). Briscoe was only once stopped in his entire career, against the monster-punching Rodrigo Valdez. LaMotta was no KO puncher, and certainly wouldn't turn into one when faced with the durability of Bad Bennie. Very beatable, but damn near unstoppable.

 

Nah, I'd just had that one longer than any other, and I finally found a good Zapata pic that I hadn't seen before. Just 16 years old in it.

 

I still think Briscoe is a big strong guy, maybe I have overrated his strength but I think he can match Lamotta. I do think he matched Monzon for strength though, and Monzon is very strong.

Actually, I think I am, to be honest. He was very strong, still Briscoe can hang with him IMO.

Yes it is, but Lamotta was quite a 'typical' pressure fighter. I will be honest I do not know Lamotta in true detail and I felt Briscoe had a slight chance for an upset so I went for it, because most would pick Lamotta, and I thought it would give Briscoe a wee boost, and I did think he could win 1 out of a series particulary if they were over 10.