Middleweight with the hardest chin?

Tiger is a great shout, blood oath. I haven't watched that much of him, Manassa and co will know for sure, but i think the old jaw was iron at 160.

 

He's up there, tho Pryor would top him i think. It's not as if he isn't great, i have him 1 or 2 achievement and top 5 head to head, top 2, 3 or 4 blended but jeez. I think his mean look and reputation get many, especially newer fans. Personally i found his tough guy image a bit too manufactured, and i lived the time.

 

I would rather take a full power punch from Tommy Hearns or John Mugabi than from Samuel Peter.

 

Toney's chin has been proven to be a revelation really.

 

Lamotta was knocked down ,but it was at the end of his career,and by a Light heavy weight,Danny Nardico ,I beleive.

 

Lamotta took the punches of Robinson,and Bob Satterfield ,one of the hardest punching LH,s and Heavyweight ,s of all time,Hagler was never floored ,that Roldan thing was a slip,and Marvin took the punches ofHearns,Mugabi,Briscoe,and Hart.I rest my case!

 

No i am not kidding you. You think i underrate him, i think you OVERrate him. If you read what i wrote you would see i rate him 1 or 2 at 160, no? He was amazingly complete when not facing a top technician. Nobody bettered come forward straight ahead fighters much better i will give that for sure. A vastly durable man doesn't neccessarily = a hard man.

 

I'm far from convinced on this one! Obviously? No, not sold at all. Ability to take a punch is just that and neck muscle can only do so much for mine.

Like Duran getting ko'ed at 135 but not by Hearn's? Like Spink's facing the biggest bombers at 175 then shrugging off Tyson's best? Arguello? Gomez? Zarate?

I don't recall Toney being stopped to be honest. Being wobbled once or twice doesn't cut it for me. Could have been punches he didn't pick up, the type many fear that are likely to be landed by the faster lighter fighters. You see Toney "see's" the slower punches at heavyweight much better therefore avoiding more and rolling with others

Just did :good

At the end of the day he took everything he needed to and was never stopped. His chinistic effort vs RJJ is something to take note off.

 

People picking him over every Tom Dick and Harry when it was shown top technicians would be difficult for him. Also so many giving him automatic number 1 status when you have the likes of Monzon lurking around. People picking him to ravage anyone he comes into the ring against. Etc.

 

He's rated as something of a Demi-God here, more because of his persona rather than his ability. My take on Hagler is that he was a good all rounder, not a great boxer (by any means), and not a great slugger, but he had sufficient ability to have a great mix of the too. As has been supplied in the past (by MDWC) he had his struggles against Finnegan (x2) and Colbert. he was beatable.

and to clarify he also had a great chin

 

IMO Hagler would get beat by the following middles;

Robinson (2 out of 3)
Monzonm (just)
Burley
RJJ (providing his chin holds up)
Hopkins (in a toss up)

 

Looks like the supposed "higher resistence" didn't help him, that's for sure. He took Barkley bombs, but that would have been the extra 6 pounds of higher resistence right?

All fight = all 1 1/2 rounds. Personally i think he might have survived a similar assault at 135 P4P. I can't see the biggest lightweight punchers ever stopping him in 2 rounds, not at all actually even if they get some clean licks in. Hearn's was hurting or dropping him most everytime he hit him. Who you picking to absolutely poleaxe him out at 135 given similar offensive success?

Toney took RJJ's leaping left hooks with aplomb mate. Picking out a random little happening like vs Johnson doesn't get bought by me. This tactic falls down on 1000 occasions, not the least being the Holyfield/Bert Cooper/Tyson chain. How on earth could Holy be all but taken out and hurt so bad by Bert Cooper yet walk thru so many Tyson bombs? How could Super Greg Page survive the big punchers he did yet fall to Mark Wills? The Johnson fight doesn't make Toney's chin suspect and Senya will debate you just how badly he was actually rocked

LMAO! You run around screaming about the Roldan KD of Hagler not being legit yet throw this one in our faces? "Are you kidding?" If this is pertinent to Toney's chin i'm Magaret Thatcher.

 

I take SRR at his best, RJJ, Monzon and Hopkins. Wouldn't like to back anyone else tho.

 

Hagler.

And the debate on this thread is surprising. Toney, Monzon, and especially Lamotta had great chins, but Hagler was in a class by himself. None of those guys took Hearns' right like Hagler did -Remember that Hagler was coming in when he caught a right uppercut -straight right flush. He was eating Mugabi's monster shots like nothing and several other bangers since Briscoe.

 

You're getting a bit hazy. "Simply too hard" is a description used simply because he didn't survive? What about the extra 19 pounds of resistence? Duran was a lot further removed from his best when he faced Barkley.

Hearn's was just too good IMO. If Duran came in **** as you claim on such an immense occasion vs such a dangerous fighter he must have sensed impending doom regardless of what he did. Steward says Duran was intimidated by Hearn's when they crossed paths in the gym years earlier. Apparently Roberto gave ground mentally.

Now we're talking, number wise. Even not at his best i think Duran would survive any lightweight, could be wrong. His chin at 135 was awesome.

And that's what we are debating, i think it might have been on that level. I also think those guys would struggle immensely to take the shots of heavyweights and don't believe they would survive simply based on this better punch resistence moving up theory. Toney survived one of the biggest punchers on earth, i fear for Marvin, Monzon and Lamotta facing a Cooney, Coetzee etc.

RJJ has one shot power, rest assured if he legitimately hurt Toney he would have been all over him like a fly to ****.

Well this is the whole debate, i reckon it was as good as the others and also think his heavyweight record adds to his credence where you don't. I'm not acting like you are saying his chin was bad, i'm acting as if you said it doesn't belong on this level, which you did. As far as rolling with punches, he still took plenty of top blows from the likes of Peter. Monzon and Hagler at their best weren't easy to time perfectly either, tho Toney is defensively better admittedly.