Miguel Cotto ending Pacmans career...

You misunderstood wha I just said...

I am not talking about the weigh-in,.... I am talking about weigh stipulated in the contract....whatever they agreed before hand....

If Pac and Hoya had agreed to fight at a weight of 146-3/4 (stipulated in the contract) which is under the limit of the WW division (not Hoya's division), then the fight would have been considered (according to you) a catchweight fight.

If Pac and Hoya had agreed to fight at any weight ranging from 147-1/4 up to 153-3/4 (stippulated in the contract), which is above the WW division and DLHs weighclass, wich is Jr Middle, then the fight would have been considered (according to you) a catchweight fight as well.

But because Pac fought DLH at 147 (which is the weight stipulated in the contract, and still not Hoya's division) which matches the limit of the WW division..... then

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considered a catchweight fight.

Does it make sense to you?????

 

Even if he gives him a beating it won't end Manny's career, unless it's just horrific. It would be the first serious, sustained beating he's ever taken as far as I know.

 

Officially it's NOT a catchweight fight since it meets all requirements for a welterweight fight including the maximum weigh-in weight of 147 lbs.

Informally it can be considered as "catchweight" since both fighters met at a weight that doesn't belong to their perceived home division... PAC jumping 2 divisions from 135 to 147 and Hoya moving down 1 division from 154 to 147...
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I think is the opposite....

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since there is a limit of weight stipulated in the contract, which is basically what it makes the fight special......hence, "catchweight fight"

It is irrelevant if the weight agreed before hand matches the limit of a weight class that it is not the weight class of the contenders.....

Nobody can say for example that if the MW champ of the world fights the FW champ of the world at a stipulated weight of 140 lbs, which is the JWW limit, that the fight it is not a catchweight fight..... on the contrary, the weight is a condition imposed by the boxer who belongs to the lower division (whatever that might be) to the boxer who belongs to the higher division, condition that if not existed the fight itself would never be possible, and that is why is called a catchweight fight.....

Just picture this.....

The MW champ fights the FW champ at a weight of 155.... according to you it is a catchweight fight....

The MW champ fights the FW champ at a weight of 154.... according to you it isn't a catchweight fight, because that is the limit of a weightclass.

The MW champ fights the FW champ at a weight of 148.... according to you it is again a catchweight fight....

The MW champ fights the FW champ at a weight of 147....accordng to you it isn't a catchweight fight, because that is the limit of a weightclass.

Do you get the idea???? Isn't that laughable??????

In conclusion, the weigh limit of any weightclass has nothing to do with deciding what it is or what it isn't a catchweight fight, except when the boxer who belongs to the higher weightclass is not allowed to weight the limit that his weightclass stipulates.....

DLH (agreed) wasn't allowed by the contract he signed to weight the limit of his weightclass which is 154 lbs.....the contract only allowed him to weight a maximum of 147, and that was what it made the fight a catchweight fight.....

If DLH had been a WW fighter instead of a JMW fighter, then the weight limit of 147 lbs stipulated in the contract would have been the same as the limit of the WW division.... in this case his division.... therefore the fight wouldn't have been a catchweight fight....

 

People base these statements on the Margo and Clottey fight, and its bull****. Cotto has an under-rated defense (not great), but he has a GREAT chin. He's been rocked a few times, yeah who hasn't? He tooken big shots from fighters far bigger than him (Mosley probably the hardest hitter at WW, Clottey, Judah, a plastered Margarito, Quintana). I dont get where people see Cotto as having an average chin.

 

get your facts right. enough of cupping cotto's balls. your bringing hate towards cotto.

 

this is reallllllly stupid.. can the mods knock some sense into this guys head.

 

..by your grammar?:huh

 

Cotto is Oh so strong in the middle rds... Pac hasnt felt a power punch above 130... Hatton got one half decent punch on Pac and he felt it so I don't fancy his chances if Cotto lands a hard combination.

 

Yes that is EXACTLY what I am saying. I am not saying that their 147 fight
was at an ideal weight for either one of them, but it was not a catchweight.
Yes DLH had to come down considerably and Pac go up considerably in
weight, but 147 is still the WW limit last time i checked. And yes 147.25
would indeed be a catchweight. Wether this serves your agenda or not, I
could not care less.

 

Yeah ... but the true limit is 147... right ?! :hat

 

and taking a knee is not quitting?

 

DLH was not a WW fighter he was a JMW fighter..... the contract stipulated 147 lbs, and Hoya's wegihtclass JMW is from 147.0001 up to 154....

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If in any fight the boxer who belongs to the higher weighclass is not allowed to weight the limit of his weightclass, then the fight is considered a catchweight fight period.

This my friend does not serve any agenda, I don't have any.... it is just a clarification.....what I don't understand is why some of you get so defensive with something that it isn't worth it ...

 

preach on brother:good

 

do me a favor and look up the definition of what a catchweight is before trying to argue.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_weight[/ame]

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Catchweight

don't try to force on other people what you THINK a catchweight is. KNOW what it is first, then argue.