Miguel Cotto Still Undefeated?

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  1. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Remeber this guy? In light of all these steroid accusations against Pacquiao, I've decided to bring up an interesting case. One can make an arguement for Miguel Cotto still being unbeaten. It's a bit weak, but still somewhat of a valid arguement.

    My point is, Cotto was knocked out by Margarito last year in July. Fast forward half a year and Margarito is caught with illegal wraps and evidence shows he is not just a one time offender. Now Margarito's victory over Cotto is tainted and many looked at Cotto still as an unbeaten fighter. After the Margarito fight, Cotto lines up a title shot for the vacant WBO belt against the unheralded Micheal Jennings. Cotto rolls through Jennings rather easily but shows some ring rust. It was the right step in rebuilding his reputation.

    Then somewhat of a crossroads bout comes to fruition pitting Cotto against the dangerous Joshua Clottey. It was Cotto's first real test since his "loss" to Margarito. After 12 exciting rounds, the bout came down to a split decison in favor of Cotto. Some people thought Clottey won but the majority still had Cotto winning. Anyway, Cotto didn't look like his old self and people were saying he was ruined from the Margo fight. Mind you, Cotto suffered a bad cut in the fight that never healed properly.

    A few tatoos later, Cotto is now in line to fight Manny Pacquiao, the man who was responsible for retiring Oscar and visciously tearing through Hatton. Manny's feats were stuff of legend at this point, anything else would be bonus. The first four rounds were exciting with Cotto looking good. Then the cut reopens from the Clottey fight and he gets battered.

    Fast forward to now and we have Manny accused of cheating. I already think he is on some kind of PED but that's a different arguement. If he is proven guilty, then Miguel Cotto is still an undefeated fighter in my eyes as he has never truly lost.

    Just my opinion. :smoke
     
    OBCboxer, Dec 26, 2009
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  2. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    Only if you had anything more than speculation that Margarito used illegal handwraps or that Pacman used steroids.

    Otherwise, no, he is not undefeated.
     
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  3. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Margarito? Probably.

    Pac? No.
     
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  4. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Margarito was caught using plaster.
    Manny Pacquiao was accused of taking steroids.
    Huge ****ing difference.
     
    LukeO, Dec 26, 2009
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  5. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    I'd say possibly, not probably
     
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  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Cotto has never been subject to olympic style random blood testing and is therefore as much subject to unfounded speculation as Pacquiao is.

    Therefore one can make the same argument for Cotto never having fairly won a fight :deal
     
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  7. CharlieGarbs

    CharlieGarbs Guest

    IF Pac is found guilty, do you reckon History will remember Cotto being cheated in both his losses? I doubt it, which is sad.
     
    CharlieGarbs, Dec 26, 2009
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  8. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    hahahaa
    That is good.
     
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  9. CharlieGarbs

    CharlieGarbs Guest

    That's a bit of an invalid argument, due to Pac's recent success as he's moved up weight classes. I can see where your coming from though. I for one don't think Pac's cheating.
     
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  10. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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  11. 3rdIslander

    3rdIslander GURU R.I.P. Full Member

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    :good All boxers who don't pass the FJM Sr. testing guidelines are cheaters!:!:
     
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  12. 5oh1box

    5oh1box Active Member Full Member

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    as of now he has only one loss..and thats to paquiao
     
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  13. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just thinking that on paper the Cotto fight looked by far the harder fight. So it doesn't makes sense to think that Margarito used the illegal handwraps for the supposedly easier fight with Mosley, but kept them "under wraps" for the do-or-die struggle with Cotto. Plus there was the Lujan incident; I can never remember seeing a fighter have his ear ripped off from a punch before.

    But, this is just speculation on my part.
     
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  14. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    The Mosley fight was under a jurisdiction that allows you to bring along your own wraps whereas the Cotto fight wasn't.
     
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  15. bcastro

    bcastro Member Full Member

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    Unbelievable...because Mayweather Senior is your source?

    There are a lot of stupid naive people out there.
     
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