Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito: Predictions from several individuals.

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  1. fitzgeraldz

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    Roger Mayweather said that every time that he's seen Cotto fight that he's been hurt ... he named off Demarcus Corley, Zab Judah, and Mosley ...
     
  2. jecxbox

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    Thats fine, I have always felt Cotto's chin has always been a blessing in disguise for him. It allows him to get any prize fight that he or his team think is good because

    1) Their opponent think they can overcome Cotto's technical boxing just because he has a weak chin.
    2) They change their approach to the fight for the worse by focusing on knocking Cotto out instead of Out Boxing him.
    3) It makes Cotto a damn exciting fighter! :lol:
     
  3. trac209

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    i'll put a month no post bet on margarito! any takers?
     
  4. RealIzm

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    Both are great fighters however this fight will highlight how much better Cotto is than everyone else: he's worlds above everyone at 147
    He's much more intelligent and much, much faster
    I've also noticed how Cottos chin is underrated and Margos is highly overrated

    This fight will be great but it will also be a classic case of a fighter with too much heart and will but not enough skill getting a beatdown by a champion that has more than enough skill, along with heart and will....
    The big, surprising(to some) difference here will be Cottos speed!!!
     
  5. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I can agree that at times his chin is decent. But no way is his footwork that good. When Mosley wanted to pin Cotto he did. If you guys think a 36 year old Mosley is going to be the same as a prime Margarito you are in for a shock. Margarito will step forward all night (hopefully behind a jab). Cotto will not have room to breathe. Nobody has boxed circles around Margarito since he was a little boy fighting grown men.

    As far as his chin I will say that I agree it isn't really good but it isn't terrible either. He's capable of standing up to some bombs (but does get wobbled badly). Mosley didn't really commit himself so there is no way of knowing. Judah has power at 147 sure, but he's at best a combination finisher that gets tired and frustrated as the fight goes deeper. Cotto basically outlasted Judah in those early rounds. The Torres fight was a real scare for Cotto, but he simply outlasted Torres. The Corley knockout I accept was a fluke but he was still rocked badly for near a whole round. That wasn't weight draining, that was a perfect hook to the temple.

    Anyway that's the reality of it. We can't say his defense is spectacular with all the clean punches he gets hit with. And we can't say his chin is spectacular with the way he reacts to hard punches. Nor can we say his footwork is all that great when he gets trapped much of the time along the ropes (if he is backpedaling).

    What we can say though is that Cotto has serious heart. He isn't the most physically gifted welter out there but what he does bring to the table he utilizes to maximum effect. His endurance also isn't bad either.
     
  6. fitzgeraldz

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    Cotto has fought faster fighters and harder punchers ... one in particular Shane Mosley ... who's way faster and way stronger than Margarito.

    I think in this particular case Cotto's left hand will be key ... his jab and the double hook upstairs and downstairs.
     
  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    No one is saying his defense is spectacular! Who is making **** up here? And how does Cotto's footwork not impress you, I guess your not looking at what I am looking at
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    I disagree ... with his fight with Judah, Mosley, and even Gomez .... Cotto has shown a big improvement with his footwork and foot speed ...

    I agree about his defense even though ... he has a really good guard ... I think he needs to get hit to even be in the fight ...

    He shown the ability to side step and pivot as well while Margarito just comes straight forward and isn't good at cutting off the ring ... he followed Williams and he followed Cintron ...
     
  9. Ambition_Def

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    Fitz, Margarito did not follow Cintron or Williams. He beat the **** out of both of them. Williams just won because he banked early rounds while Tony did nothing but walk forward. He admits now that was a mistake.

    Even Santos ended up going toe to toe with Margarito. Boxing the guy is not as easy as you think. Not when he leads with looping right hands and jumps in even when you are punching. Everyone assumes these guys chose to go to war with Tony. It wasn't a choice! They did try to box him but they were forced into his fight because of the way he fights.

    And there is no way in hell that Mosley is stronger than Margarito. No way. Sure he is faster but no way is he stronger. There wasn't a single moment in the Wright exchanges that Mosley really hurt Wright. Conversely, Margarito hurt Santos alot. I'm willing to say I think Margarito's power would translate much better to 154. Obviously because he's a bigger guy who commits more to his punches consistently than Mosley.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    Thats all he does is walk forward ... **** man ... Mosley has way more power than Margarito ...

    I doubt that ... Margarito has no skill and no power ... if you get on your toes ... use the ring to your advanatage ... side step, pivot, use angles ... stick with the jab and the fight will be easy.
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Wright is stronger than Margarito ... hell he's a strong 154 pounder ... he just doesn't commit to his punches like other fighters do ... when he lands his punches are thudding ... add to that Winky has long arms, good defense, and a good chin.
     
  12. RealIzm

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    Mosley has way more power than Margarito?

    Margarito has no skill or power?

    Very interesting indeed

    Truth is Cotto is just MORE skilled, AS powerful, and much much faster

    No need to pretend Margo is a cabdriver:deal

    If anything Mosley is more intelligent and adaptive than Margo but certainly not more powerful
     
  13. fitzgeraldz

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    Margarito is a tall tree with arms and legs ... he's going to get chopped down
     
  14. Ambition_Def

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    Well you can go on thinking Mosley is stronger when the fact is at 154 Mosley has no power. He had Wright standing there with his hands down, landed a flush left hook I believe and only got a stagger out of Wright. A guy who had been decked 5 times by Vasquez years ago.

    And again I'll explain why it's hard to box him. For starters he is relentless. That means he doesn't give you time to think. As soon as you try to get a moments peace he is on top of you again.

    He is also not easy to discourage. Even when he has been hit clean and hurt he has continued to walk forward. Santos nearly knocked him down with a perfect left hook and he still kept coming forward.

    Side stepping Margarito would work if he didn't throw so many damn punches. It's a different story when you fight a guy who is one and done. But a guy who will throw a jab, a right, a left hook to the body and small uppercuts when you are next to him is a different story. And Margarito does this consistently over 12 rounds. It isn't all that varied, but it's consistent and it's difficult to move when he does it.

    It is important to stick to the jab. Cotto must do that. If he doesn't he will find himself lunging too far in and eating uppercuts. But his chances in this fight diminish greatly if Margarito doesn't fall in. If Margarito doesn't fall in Cotto has no choice but to reach.

    Boxing Margarito is going to be a tough task for Cotto. He knows it too. He can do it but it's gonna be harder than boxing a 36 year old Shane Mosley.
     
  15. fitzgeraldz

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    What the **** ... he hurt Wright with that **** ...

    you didn't see winky's legs buckle? ... you didn't hear RJJ saying that it had hurt winky ...